Something super is coming...

[arc@css]

2070 Super nipping at the 1080Ti/R7. Might be worth considering...

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Are the super's being released this month then? Being putting off my new build for a while now waiting for 7/7 but might have to wait a little longer /cry

Next week for the 2060 and 2070 super. 2080 Super is supposedly coming on the 23rd.

 

[Martini1991]

maybe so, but games and DX12 plus Vulcan the PS or xbox cant do at the moment.

The Xbox One can do DX12 and the PS4 will have a low level API.

You're just hyping stuff up with little substance.

 

[Martini1991]

Are you moving to the Super 2070 then @Martini1991 ?

Depends on Sunday.

Ideally I want to be able to get a 3900X and a Vega VII for £1000. But I don't think that's a possibility.
I'd get a 5700XT and 3900X for £850 If it was a possibility.

 

[Martini1991]

Bloody hell, very impressive and the price makes great viewing. If I was in the market for a GPU, the 2060 super would do me nicely and not a wallet killer.

Kind of makes AMD's new cards pointless.

They're all crap prices lol.
But everything's so crap that these cards offer better price/performance with ease.

 

[FoxEye]

Bah, I'm done here.

Nothing but people fawning over mid-range cards starting at £400, and mostly fawning over £500+ mid-range cards.

Ridiculous. PC gaming is evidently not for me anymore. Completely priced out of even the (good) mid-range cards. The only thing you get for less than £300 are the SAME cards at the SAME performance from 3+ years ago.

Nah, I'm done. It's a joke but everyone here seems to want to perpetuate the prices and even call them "great". Seriously a joke. Utter farce.

 

[vapor matt]

The Xbox One can do DX12 and the PS4 will have a low level API.

You're just hyping stuff up with little substance.

DX12 on xbox 1 was from December 2018 and will maintain DX11 for the foreseeable future, yes it can do it, but DX11 for now while they improve DX12 and feature set.


DirectX Roadmap
Throughout 2019 we will make DirectX 12 the default for all new projects. While we will maintain DirectX 11 for the foreseeable future, our primary focus is on improving the performance and feature set of DirectX 12 using unity.

DirectX 12 on Xbox One brings with it Unity’s new Native Graphics Jobs, which also contributes a significant CPU performance improvement. Alongside these performance benefits, DirectX 12 also brings support for new rendering techniques in Unity, starting with Async Compute, which is available with DirectX 12 on Xbox One out of the box. Async Compute provides valuable GPU performance improvements for any titles that make use of compute on Xbox One.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Bah, I'm done here.

Nothing but people fawning over mid-range cards starting at £400, and mostly fawning over £500+ mid-range cards.

Ridiculous. PC gaming is evidently not for me anymore. Completely priced out of even the (good) mid-range cards. The only thing you get for less than £300 are the SAME cards at the SAME performance from 3+ years ago.

Nah, I'm done. It's a joke but everyone here seems to want to perpetuate the prices and even call them "great". Seriously a joke. Utter farce.

I 100% agree with you. The market is a joke and it probably won't change anytime soon. When i comment on the price/performance though it is about today's market and how the new cards fit in. Others are probably doing the same while knowing todays prices overall are a joke. In today's market the 2060/2070 super look better than i thought. I was expecting an RRP of $600 just like the original 2070fe so was surprised to see near 2080 performance at $500. It's still crap as the 2080ti should be at 2080 pricing and everything below it a tier at least down.

 

[Martini1991]

I 100% agree with you. The market is a joke and it probably won't change anytime soon. When i comment on the price/performance though it is about today's market and how the new cards fit in. Others are probably doing the same while knowing todays prices overall are a joke. In today's market the 2060/2070 super look better than i thought. I was expecting an RRP of $600 just like the original 2070fe so was surprised to see near 2080 performance at $500. It's still crap as the 2080ti should be at 2080 pricing and everything below it a tier at least down.

But in the same breath you think it's clever AMD pricing themselves high.
Price/performance is that poor all over that the 2060 Super and 2070 Super are better price/performance than AMD's upcoming stuff.

 

[Martini1991]

Bah, I'm done here.

Nothing but people fawning over mid-range cards starting at £400, and mostly fawning over £500+ mid-range cards.

Ridiculous. PC gaming is evidently not for me anymore. Completely priced out of even the (good) mid-range cards. The only thing you get for less than £300 are the SAME cards at the SAME performance from 3+ years ago.

Nah, I'm done. It's a joke but everyone here seems to want to perpetuate the prices and even call them "great". Seriously a joke. Utter farce.

While I'm not going to call the 2070 and 2060 super pricing great. They're at least offering better price/performance than the current offerings from Nvidia and future offerings from AMD.

They're still $100 overpriced.

 

[vapor matt]

Ideally I want to be able to get a 3900X and a Vega VII for £1000

If you can get that it will be a bargin!

 

[Martini1991]

If you can get that it will be a bargin!

I don't think it's feasible, but it's the only way I'll buy a Vega VII.

Right now I'm looking at a 3900X and 2070 Super for £950.
I'd go for a 5700XT and 3900X for £850-£875.

I'm going to hate myself for it. But I've given myself 1.2K to spend on Sunday/Next week.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Bah, I'm done here.

Nothing but people fawning over mid-range cards starting at £400, and mostly fawning over £500+ mid-range cards.

Ridiculous. PC gaming is evidently not for me anymore. Completely priced out of even the (good) mid-range cards. The only thing you get for less than £300 are the SAME cards at the SAME performance from 3+ years ago.

Nah, I'm done. It's a joke but everyone here seems to want to perpetuate the prices and even call them "great". Seriously a joke. Utter farce.

What did you expect at this point?
Absent AMD being able to do to the GPU market what they've just done to CPU market, nothing is going to massively shake this up. These super cards are a bit cheaper (in the case of the 2070S), and a bit better performance than what came before. It's not worth shouting in the streets about, but those of us who have been waiting to upgrade in the 4-500 region, and waiting for the Navi reveal too, are pleased our money will go further next week than last week.

No, we're not getting a top range gaming card for £200, it's a damn shame, but unless something extremely disruptive comes along I don't see that as being on the cards.

 

[Martini1991]

What did you expect at this point?
Absent AMD being able to do to the GPU market what they've just done to CPU market, nothing is going to massively shake this up. These super cards are a bit cheaper (in the case of the 2070S), and a bit better performance than what came before. It's not worth shouting in the streets about, but those of us who have been waiting to upgrade in the 4-500 region, and waiting for the Navi reveal too, are pleased our money will go further next week than last week.

No, we're not getting a top range gaming card for £200, it's a damn shame, but unless something extremely disruptive comes along I don't see that as being on the cards.

No one's expecting a top range GPU for £200.
But we should have a price/performance replacement of the 480 by now. That should be at least the 5700 performance.

 

[TheRealDeal]

But in the same breath you think it's clever AMD pricing themselves high.
Price/performance is that poor all over that the 2060 Super and 2070 Super are better price/performance than AMD's upcoming stuff.

Yea and i stand by it. AMD know they will be outsold by a large margin as Nvidia have the mind share and the faster tech. Now AMD have plenty of room below to adjust if sales tank. Had they came in at $400 and Nvidia thought ohh well we will do $450 as we are 10% faster then AMD might need to drop to $375 possibly $350. Now all they need to do is probably hit $425 or 400. Again if AMD's numbers stack up the super card is only 10% faster. It's not a huge margin so the price does not need to be to much lower to get sales. AMD are in the profit game now and not the give it away losing game. Zen 2 will more than pick up the slack as will console apu's.

 

[willhub]

I'm hoping that the 2080Ti pricing (or performance) will come down and be around 500 quid by this time next year.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Yea and i stand by it. AMD know they will be outsold by a large margin as Nvidia have the mind share and the faster tech. Now AMD have plenty of room below to adjust if sales tank. Had they came in at $400 and Nvidia thought ohh well we will do $450 as we are 10% faster then AMD might need to drop to $375 possibly $350. Now all they need to do is probably hit $425 or 400. Again if AMD's numbers stack up the super card is only 10% faster. It's not a huge margin so the price does not need to be to much lower to get sales. AMD are in the profit game now and not the give it away losing game. Zen 2 will more than pick up the slack as will console apu's.

Honestly I would say that the price/performance ratio would have to be markedly better for AMD to make many sales, and right now it doesn't look that way.

If they're entering at those prices, they know they have to sell at those prices, otherwise they could 'cleverly' deliver nvidia a real mid-market body blow by massively outcompeting them, just as they are intel in the CPU market.

The fact they haven't says they can't. Coming in around the same price/performance point in what everyone seems to think is a massively overpriced market isn't a great move. (And that's assuming we don't see post-launch price rises as we did with Vega)

 

[Martini1991]

Yea and i stand by it. AMD know they will be outsold by a large margin as Nvidia have the mind share and the faster tech. Now AMD have plenty of room below to adjust if sales tank. Had they came in at $400 and Nvidia thought ohh well we will do $450 as we are 10% faster then AMD might need to drop to $375 possibly $350. Now all they need to do is probably hit $425 or 400. Again if AMD's numbers stack up the super card is only 10% faster. It's not a huge margin so the price does not need to be to much lower to get sales. AMD are in the profit game now and not the give it away losing game. Zen 2 will more than pick up the slack as will console apu's.

The point is AMD are engaging in crap price/performance.
Both AMD and Nvidia are stuffing us. There's no positive to be span.

AMD could gain mindshare by getting people to buy their cards and be consistent.

Like Ryzen. AMD's went in hard with Ryzen 1XXX.
Had a refresh with 2XXX and kept lower pricing than Ryzen 1XXX launch price.

With Ryzen 3XXX they've increased performance a lot more than 2XXX and they've been able to increase the price too.

But they've had people bought into their system and winning mindshare so people are able to comfortably splurge out.

That's not happening with Navi.

 

[FoxEye]

What did you expect at this point?
Absent AMD being able to do to the GPU market what they've just done to CPU market, nothing is going to massively shake this up. These super cards are a bit cheaper (in the case of the 2070S), and a bit better performance than what came before. It's not worth shouting in the streets about, but those of us who have been waiting to upgrade in the 4-500 region, and waiting for the Navi reveal too, are pleased our money will go further next week than last week.

No, we're not getting a top range gaming card for £200, it's a damn shame, but unless something extremely disruptive comes along I don't see that as being on the cards.

I used the phrase "mid-range" about a billion times in my post - how did you miss it?

Let's not forget that both the 2060 and 2070 cards are TU-106. That's the 3rd tier chip. Tu102 in Titan and 2080 Ti. Tu104 in 2080/S. Tu106 is the third tier chip in the 5th-best and lower cards.

You happy to be paying £500 for the 5th best card and £400 for the 7th best card? Hmm? 7th best. £400. Lol.

 

[TheRealDeal]

The point is AMD are engaging in crap price/performance.
Both AMD and Nvidia are stuffing us. There's no positive to be span.

Price/performance in the main got them a bargain brand reputation with little profit. They no longer want to be seen this way and are now looking for profits. Blame everyone that loved being fleeced over the years and went Nvidia. I am not one of them and always picked the best price performance card when i was buying. The market is in this state due to buyers who love having the brand leader for nothing more than they don't want peasant cards that do the same job.