Being obese causes cancer but...

Firstly, that paragraph is a bit duplicitous, comparing apples to apples normal-weight were metabolically healthy 76% of the time, whereas those who are obese only 32% of the time. Or 24% of normal weight people are unhealthy vs 68% of obese people. So being obese indicates a three-fold greater chance of being metabolically unhealthy, pretty damning in and of itself.

Also, as they used BMI as the deciding factor, those high muscle-mass outliers would still be classed as obese and are likely to make up a large chunk of that healthy 32%.

It would be really interesting to see the results factoring in body-fat ratios

There have been more in depth studies that use body fat percentage. There is a page on the NHS website that goes into a bit of detail about it but the bottom line was that though being fat is an indicator of an unhealthy lifestyle, it does not necessarily mean you are unhealthy.

Though the proportion of 'healthy' people were lower in overweight people, it was still significant and rules out the idea that an overweight person is unhealthy. I'm not arguing that its okay to be fat, just that it is not so clear cut as saying 'you are fat so you must be unhealthy'.

This is coming from someone who is just about to hit the 18 month mark of working my ass off trying to lose weight and get into shape because I started to resent how big i got.
 
Funny this topic was on Question Time last night. Yet nobody on it seems to remember all the junk food you could get back in the 80s and 90s. The only difference back then the majority weren't in sedentary lifestyles.

It's even more alarming seeing old football footage events seeing how thin the population was back then in the stands.
I'd like to see a comparison of the proportion of processed chemicals that were in junk foods of that era vs now. I'd bet there is a lot more now becuase shelf life trumps overall health in the eyes of these food companies.

Whilst sedentary lifestyles don't help these days, I'd bet the junk food of the 80s and 90s were of a higher quality than today!

Case in point. Rustlers didn't start selling their crap until 1999....
 
I would imagine while minimal food standards are higher, there is a lot more stuff put into shelf life products simply because it reduces waste. I also would add that peoples attitude toward fast food and ready meals have changed. Fast food use to be a bit of a treat for the kids and a ready meal when you had no time but I reckon for many it is routine.

Hell, chicken shops and Macy Ds is a more popular hangout than the park for kids. What does that tell you about the healthy lifestyle the younger generation will have?
 
Watched a program about this last night stating the hundreds of millions of pounds it cost the NHS to treat diseases only brought on by morbidly obese people; amputations aren't cheap.
 
What's most amusing is the more chunky people on Instagram who supposedly stand for "pro curves" and will often post motivational quotes to stories and posts about how being curvy is great and you should love your body no matter what size etc. The same people post selfies only showing their head or edit themselves slimmer for social media because they def do not look like that in real life!

It's a psychological conditioning issue that needs to be addressed at a deeper level than just words on a screen.

Slap with a broccoli stick? Who knows.
 
I'd like to see a comparison of the proportion of processed chemicals that were in junk foods of that era vs now. I'd bet there is a lot more now # shelf life trumps overall health in the eyes of these food companies.

Whilst sedentary lifestyles don't help these days, I'd bet the junk food of the 80s and 90s were of a higher quality than today!

Case in point. Rustlers didn't start selling their crap until 1999....

Based on what I've read on processed food, one of the biggest problems is actually what's not in it - rather than the chemicals which are in it (which is mostly an unnatural mixture of fat and carbohydrates). Like you say - shelf life is one of the biggest selling points of processed food, and here in the US Fibre is the number 1 enemy of the food industry, so they take it out.

The food industry spent years trying to convince everybody that fibre was an unnecessary thing that 'got in the way' of making foods that lasted more than a day or two (like actual real food). But they didn't realise/care that our digestive systems have evolved over millions of years with fibre in our diet (fruit and veg). Turns out all that 'roughage' changes how food traverses the digestive tract so that the nutrients can be absorbed properly. Lack of fibre (fruit and veg) is now shown to be one of the driving causes of bowel cancer.

There were a number of 'experiments' performed back in the 80s and 90s, some of which were performed to try and develop artificial fats the common one was trans fat, there was another absolutely awful bloody stupid thing that resulted in a product called "Olestra" which was an attempt at making an artificial fat that you couldn't digest - that had zero calories but the same mouth feel as real dietary fat, and it could be used for cooking.

The biggest problem with Olestra, was that if you ate a lot of it - it inhibits the bodies ability to absorb other nutrients through the colon (presumably because it messes with the absorbant cellular linings) but the biggest side effect was - anal leakage :D it suffered terrible press and was banned in most countries - but now here in the good ole US of A, you can still buy it in some cheap 'low fat' products.

Whilst trans fats, are mostly banned (not in the uk suprisingly) the food industry found away to get around the stigma by using something slightly different called, "mono dyglicerides of fatty acids" or "trans fatts acids" essentially - there are artificial fats used as additives in things like cheap pies, pastries, cake mixes, and especially cheap spreads (I can't believe it's not butter). They're bad because there's no metabolic process in the body that can metabolise or burn a trans fat molecule. They exist because it allows the food industry to use cheap oils (like vegetable oil) to make the above types of products, which would require fats which are solids at room temperature, because the process of 'hydrogenation' it takes a liquid fat at room temperature and converts it into a solid. (this makes it cheaper than using real fat such as lard or butter)

Today, there's growing evidence coming out of new research, that's showing a link between emulsifiers used in fast food and obesity related illnesses. Emulsifiers are used so that you can have water and oils/fats in a creamy consistent product that doesn't separate (if you put oil and water in a glass they separate). Emulsifiers allow both to mix (like cheap ice cream which is basically just oil, water and sugar) but guess where else you find emulsifiers - washing detergent.

It turns out from the research, that emulsifiers in food is upsetting the bacteria we have in our guts and the lining of the colon, along with causing inflammation and again - possibly contributing to bowel cancer.
 
Thing is, healthy food can be equally as quick and not even need cooking like salad and nuts or sashimi

The problem is, it isn't. To know this, means research and time to invest into finding out how easy it is. Knowledge.

Which we should be developing from a young age. If it was as easy,cheap and as tasty people would do it.
 
Leave my mono dyglicerides of fatty acids alone! I need them for my awesome homemade ice-cream.

That said, 2g per litre probably isn't going to cause any issues :p
 
I'd like to see a comparison of the proportion of processed chemicals that were in junk foods of that era vs now. I'd bet there is a lot more now becuase shelf life trumps overall health in the eyes of these food companies.

Whilst sedentary lifestyles don't help these days, I'd bet the junk food of the 80s and 90s were of a higher quality than today!

Case in point. Rustlers didn't start selling their crap until 1999....

I'm still convinced with the amount of cases of Cancer today including those born with it is now down to GM through everything.
 
Nobody is forcing the overweight to eat so much food, just like nobody forces smokers to smoke, it's a lifestyle choice

Smokers pay a silly amount of tax on their life choice, why shouldn't there be a fat tax ?

Sin taxes are inherently unethical. Why should I pay income tax if I have to pay a sin tax for eating a McDonalds?
 
Sin taxes are inherently unethical. Why should I pay income tax if I have to pay a sin tax for eating a McDonalds?

Having others pay tax to treat you in hospital via the NHS because of your bad choices and lack of self control is equally unethical
 
A bus stop I drive past to work has a poster designed to look like a fag packet, fancy fonts and swirly lines etc, but it's actually about obesity overtaking smoking in causing cancer.
 
I agree with increased tax on unhealthy food.
The NHS will break if the obesity burden isn't subsidised by those who cost it the most from life choices

Its basically everyone pays and this everyone pays more or go like cigs .. Raise the funds from those who cause the costs
 
Maybe we should tax the fatties like we tax the smokers ? or would that be fat discrimination also despite their immense drain on the NHS simply because they lack any discipline when it comes to diet ?

Most junk food is taxed just like cigarettes. Or did you mean that fatties should pay some sort of extra fat tax on their earnings? Well why don't they do that with smokers too?
 
Most junk food is taxed just like cigarettes. Or did you mean that fatties should pay some sort of extra fat tax on their earnings? Well why don't they do that with smokers too?

I'm not sure what the solution is, but if more & more people are getting obese then it's going to cause problems with the NHS

Maybe tax parents of fat children, there's really no reason a child should be overweight apart from poor parenting unless it's a genetic condition or result of health issues
 
You can't tax the poor.l which is where that would occur the most.

Education, compulsory yearly visits to a gp for all children under the age of 16 for full checkups would start to solve some of these issues and more (neglect, abuse etc)

Money is coming out the NHS already so might as well use it in a preemptive way.
 
I agree with increased tax on unhealthy food.
The NHS will break if the obesity burden isn't subsidised by those who cost it the most from life choices

Its basically everyone pays and this everyone pays more or go like cigs .. Raise the funds from those who cause the costs

But that will never fix the problem, only thing it will do is allow a group of people to get richer off the back others unhealthy habits.

Money isn't the solution to this problem.
 
But that will never fix the problem, only thing it will do is allow a group of people to get richer off the back others unhealthy habits.

Money isn't the solution to this problem.

Like the sugar tax, money raised from 'sin taxes' usually goes towards preventative efforts, in the case of the sugar tax it goes towards sports facilities and healthy breakfast clubs for schools. The hope is also that it reduces the amount of high sugar drinks bought which would incentivise companies to reduce the amount of sugar in drinks.

Money isn't the solution, but all solutions to combat obesity will require money.
 
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