MSI B450 Tomahawk / Pro Carbon & Ryzen 3000

Phil Smith

Phil Smith

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Hi all.

I'm looking to put a new system together around the new Ryzen 5 3600, and I'm looking at either the MSI B450 Tomahawk or Pro Carbon Gaming. I know these boards will be compatible with the new AMD CPUs if the Bios is updated to the latest version which is scheduled for release at the same time as the CPUs.

What I'm struggling to find a definitive answer on is whether either of these boards have the ability to flash the Mobo with the bios without a CPU being installed. Some sources say yes, but I've spoken to someone who owns a Tomahawk and he's convinced it isn't possible.

The user manual says Flashback+ is supported and:
1. Connect power supply to CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1. (No other components are
necessary but power supply.)

Anyone able to put this to bed?

Many thanks.
 
Yes it does.

This is my board of choice for the Ryzen 3700x.
As I don't need PCI-E Gen4, among other things.
Also, it will help reduce the cost of the upgrade.
 
b450 msi is a great choice for ryzen 3600 is seems.

8 Pack had mentioned it handles 3200hz fine, but wanting the best you'd push X570 for it to push PBO higher as well as support 3600hz from the get go .

depends on your budget really . I'd push the Carbon over the Tom due to 8+4 pin connector if you have it to push as much power as you can to the chip . new PBO will take what every you can throw at it to push the hz as high as they can go for all cores. naturally x570 does this better.
 
I'd expect the B450 Tomahawk board to go out of stock in a few places, I've personally used it in a few builds and it's a solid little number, it could be a cheaper but reliable gateway to Ryzen 3X if you don't need PCIe Gen4 and a few other trick bits as havenrl says.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
b450 msi is a great choice for ryzen 3600 is seems.

8 Pack had mentioned it handles 3200hz fine, but wanting the best you'd push X570 for it to push PBO higher as well as support 3600hz from the get go .

depends on your budget really . I'd push the Carbon over the Tom due to 8+4 pin connector if you have it to push as much power as you can to the chip . new PBO will take what every you can throw at it to push the hz as high as they can go for all cores. naturally x570 does this better.
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I am considering the B450 carbon for a 3000 system shortly.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html

8 pack has confirmed that many of the B450 boards work (abeit not as good as a X570).

I am favouring the carbon as I seem to think that the vrms and power phases are good from reviews etc and therefore should have enough electricity for the larger cores even
 
Alan1969 said:
I am considering the B450 carbon for a 3000 system shortly.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html

8 pack has confirmed that many of the B450 boards work (abeit not as good as a X570).

I am favouring the carbon as I seem to think that the vrms and power phases are good from reviews etc and therefore should have enough electricity for the larger cores even
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MSI ITX board is vastly better , even if you slap it in mATX case instead of ITX
 
orbitalwalsh said:
MSI ITX board is vastly better , even if you slap it in mATX case instead of ITX
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thanks, I will consider for my wifes office computer where she likes a small case and the current i5 with HDD is struggling. For my secondary gaming computer I am now wondering whether I should push myself for a x470 or even a x570 (we all need to see how expensive these will really be). Regarding the x470 ideally I don't want one much more expensive than the msi b450 carbon (£120) because it is easy to spend more here and there and by the time you have bought everything it would add up to hundreds of pounds more for a system that doesn't run much/if any faster.
 
tamzzy said:
better VRMs
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All of them in general or is there one specifically in the same price range as the Tomo I can look at? the tomohawk looked good value to me so was drawn to that.

Cheers

edit: is this a reasonable VRM tier list? MSI's looking decent, I probably won't do much tinkering anymore, I just want to replace my old i5 cheaply.

https://i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png
 
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MegaPinches said:
All of them in general or is there one specifically in the same price range as the Tomo I can look at? the tomohawk looked good value to me so was drawn to that.
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