AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[SiDeards73]

Why doesn't AMD check all this properly before a launch??

This is huge if true and would explain why a lot of reviews the cpus were not even hitting their box advertised clocks.

Can't be just affecting Nvidia cards on these boards though as I see a review with a Radeon 7 that also didn't look like the cou was hitting it's expected clocks

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD rushed reviews for 7/7 - why didn't they delay until Zen 2 infrastructure is in a better state? Have they not learnt a thing from the Zen 1 launch?

 

[SiDeards73]

a 300MHz drop is pretty big, surely AMD would have commented on it by now? I wonder if things simply weren't stable on the previous BIOS?

Maybe AMD are trying behind the scenes to get it sorted as I believe it's their chipset and Bios initially, so may either be something underlying with the actual agesa code or chipset bios rather than something vendor specific

 

[motiv]

Maybe AMD are trying behind the scenes to get it sorted as I believe it's their chipset and Bios initially, so may either be something underlying with the actual agesa code or chipset bios rather than something vendor specific

or maybe nothing is wrong and the chips just don't OC to well.

 

[ben90]

or maybe nothing is wrong and the chips just don't OC to well.

Nothing to do with overclocking. The chips aren't hitting their programmed boost clocks which is the problem.

 

[Joeyuk]

Currently rocking a 2700x. Are any of these new cpu’s much of an upgrade?

I have an x470 mobo.

I’m in the same boat but with a x370 ch6. Depends what res you game at 1080 there is a decent uplift, 1440p and above it doesn’t seem worth it. Some games have better average FPS but most I’ve seen are not that much.

 

[Kashinoda]

or maybe nothing is wrong and the chips just don't OC to well.

In the article posted, using the 3900X there are no issues boosting to (advertised) 4.65GHz on the old BIOS.
https://i.imgur.com/1PfESpr.png

On the release BIOS this isn't possible.

The behavior is consistent across multiple motherboard vendors.

 

[willhub]

Is there any real advantage at this point of changing from a B350F Strix motherboard if I dont intend on changing ram?

 

[pcfarrar]

Rainforest processors best sellers there is only 1 intel CPU in the top 10.

 

[SiDeards73]

In the article posted, using the 3900X there are no issues boosting to (advertised) 4.65GHz on the old BIOS.
https://i.imgur.com/1PfESpr.png

On the release BIOS this isn't possible.

The behavior is consistent across multiple motherboard vendors.

This is what I was saying, it's most likely the Agesa if it's affecting all motherboards, and an earlier bios pre the newest agesa allowed the boards to let the chips boost correctly.

I can understand if theres no OC headroom as they are clocked to their limits out of the bix, but I don't think this is the case.

The fact they are not even hitting their advertised box speeds is worrying, especially when on older Bios they were boosting to 4.65

 

[TrixX]

Just sounds like the release BIOS has a bug or something like that. Not uncommon, something coffee lake had too. Of course it'll be blown out of proportion

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Just sounds like the release BIOS has a bug or something like that. Not uncommon, something coffee lake had too. Of course it'll be blown out of proportion

If this is a real thing,its upto 300MHZ,which means between 5% to 10% loss in performance and AMD should have spotted this.

 

[Kashinoda]

This is what I was saying, it's most likely the Agesa if it's affecting all motherboards, and an earlier bios pre the newest agesa allowed the boards to let the chips boost correctly.

I can understand if theres no OC headroom as they are clocked to their limits out of the bix, but I don't think this is the case.

The fact they are not even hitting their advertised box speeds is worrying, especially when on older Bios they were boosting to 4.65

The crazier thing is the previous BIOS allowed these chips to boost to advertised stock without PBO - which isn't supported there.

The latest BIOS can't even reach the same levels with PBO

Oh AMD.

 

[Vish Petrol]

Blame Intel

 

[Kashinoda]

Blame Intel

It's the only logical choice.

 

[Vish Petrol]

It's the only logical choice.

Its their "secret sauce" at work

https://www.techspot.com/news/80683...hlights-competitive-challenges-amd-poses.html

 

[Wingz]

So all the talk about being to achieve 4000Mhz+ ram was kinda pointless. Looks like I'll keep my ram @ 3333Mhz 14-14-14-28.

 

[jigger]

Spanish article here:
https://www.xanxogaming.com/reviews...s_WHEA_PCI_Express_en_tarjetas_NVIDIA_GeForce

Comments from le Reddit:

"Driver level errors associated with either the PCI Express bus and/or Nvidia GPUs may have prevented the chips from boosting properly - which was interesting because several reviewers today commented on not hitting advertised boosts. The author observed this behavior on both Gigabyte and MSI boards but only with Nvidia cards and at least for their own work decided it was sufficient enough to warrant not publishing any FPS benchmarks until sorted out."

"This is huge dude, he said he got boost to 4.65 GHz with the older 1.0.0.2 bios, even though PBO did not work on that BIOS. The newer 1.0.0.2 (NPRP press code) & 1.0.0.3AB BIOS were limiting his boost to 4.35 GHz
The driver WHEA errors seem to be unrelated and are a nVidia specific problem. They are probably still causing slowdown in benchmarks."

Thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cacasv/very_interesting_writeup_of_an_issue_that_may/

Interesting dodgy Nvidia drivers.

 

[Vish Petrol]

Interesting dodgy Nvidia drivers.

"It just works"

 

[marcus_667]

For many intel fanboys the day has come.

LOL , I aren't crying my cpu still strongest in games for now good effort by amd though 3600 is a killer chip for the cash imo