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The majority of YouTube content is rubbish anyway. People will make videos about literally anything to get views.
Is there a war brewing with youtubers?
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Having a video demonetised for teaching people how to play a Cream blues riff on guitar is nonsense.
I doubt they will change their ways. From stupid google glasses to the now ignorant stadia that they are repeating the same mistakes previous companies have, but they are google so it must be magic.
Google only appeared when they started using bots to go around the internet cataloging every website they could reach. They successfully won the search engine battle. But then they bought Youtube for a large sum. The problem I've found with most businesses is that as soon as the founders sell out and others take over, it nearly always goes down hill. I can't really think of any major platform that as benefitted from being taken over by a bigger company. All it seems to do is make it easier to cover up their mistakes and because they have a much bigger bank balance they can afford to ignore their content creators.
I think Youtube/Google is trying to get in to the Netflix, Amazon Prime market, and so have been hiring big named stars to come on the platform. They have taken some well known family friendly Youtubers and tried to put them in to the mix. But for the vast majority of people they don't give a damn about.
It seems these big companies are government stooges with facebook even publically begging they want to be regulated. They aren't interested in the businesses they are running, otherwise they would be defending their own products. The fact there are so many false copyright cases with companies taking the mick out of the system SHOULD be considered a direct threat to Youtube/Google itself. But instead they allow their creators to be attacked and intimidated.
I hear google are closing google hangouts down too now. Eventually they will either shut youtube down or sell it off.
The best thing youtube creators should do is 1. make their own website (this used to be the 101 thing to do back in the day), 2. use other video sharing platforms and encourage their viewers to look around, and 3. when it comes to sponsorship try and make your own deals in the local community or from different places outside of the video platform you're on. People shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket.
Even some of the bigger youtubers that are supposed to be smart aren't really. I used to watch phillip defranco's videos a while back. On his descriptions he keeps making up these fake website addresses with his name on, but when you click the link one is going to a postmates food delivery company he has a sponsorship with, and the other DeFrancoElite Dot.com goes to his patreon page. I'm not sure if he actually owns the fake url links he posts. But apart from his investment company roguerocket (which in the past was mixed up in creaming off the affiliate links of other creators during the mental health app they was all promoting), he doesn't seem to have a fixed website that he maintains with his own branding. Apparently he's supposed to be a rich guy yet he's using patreon to sell his merchandise. So if the 'big boys' aren't serious about branding I can see how people lower down won't be looking to establish their own branding either.
Damn, went off on a rant there
(goes off to have another cup of coffee).
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I get that distinction, but I'm not sure it's a big one, given the level of most human interaction.
I confess I watched Pewdiewhatever playing through the game 'The Last of Us' a few years ago. I enjoyed the game so much that I wanted to share the experience when I had no real world gaming friends. And during Series8gate of Game of Thrones, I spend hours on YouTube watching other people get cheesed off by the same things that annoyed me. The catharsis there was good for helping me process my disappointment.So I try to be careful with my blanket dismissal. There is, indeed, a lot of completely headscratchy stuff on YouTube, but I'm wary about saying the stuff I've watched is any better than the worst. The same human needs to share stories and experiences (the ones predating civilisation and enhancing survival of the tribe) may be driving it all.
As someone who benefits from shared guitar wisdom, and had never had a moment of tuition from anyone in 30+ years before YouTube, I tend to agree; I just wish it'd been available sooner! Fair use is a nebulous thing though, and algorithms in place to protect the struggling music business aren't respecting the free marketing such videos offer.
The thing that bothers me about anything musical though is that it's hard to write a completely unique tune all the way through. Samples are one thing, but snippets of music which may be very similar to something in a song protected by copyright are problematic for 'little folk' trying to dispute a tenuous claim. It's easy to see how algorithms could ruin new music, full stop.
Even if I'm wrong, the wild west days of the internet are definitely on the slide as everything is absorbed into the old world corporate model rather than reforming it as we'd hoped. I suspect the future is more along Chinese lines than we care to contemplate. Only in the West it'll be companies doing the monitoring and control rather than governments.
I've depressed myself now. Time to go do some weeding before it rains.
I think it is a big problem - they definitely treat their content creators in a very off hand way - often it is hard to know exactly why a video has fallen foul of some rule or other, etc. and despite the bigger channels having a media manager at YT even they often have trouble getting answers or problems looked at.
Seems 1-2 people at YT are able to exercise a arbitrary agenda as to what is and isn't accepted on the platform as well, which seems to change almost week to week which isn't good - could argue it is their platform, etc. but IMO that is something that you don't get to not compromise on as a return for something being as big as YT.
Unfortunately YT is too much of an established platform now for anything else to really threaten it unless there is some major controversial goings on internally that came to light, etc.
What annoyed me about the gun related censoring - the justifications used against that content also applied to, and to a greater degree even, to gambling and some other areas but specifically gambling because YT was quite happy to spam me with gambling ads while shutting down firearms related content even fully educational, etc. i.e. a video on the English civil war period that happened to have firearms of that era on display in the background of some scenes. But I guess gambling ads make YT a lot of money........
Seems 1-2 people at YT are able to exercise a arbitrary agenda as to what is and isn't accepted on the platform as well, which seems to change almost week to week which isn't good - could argue it is their platform, etc. but IMO that is something that you don't get to not compromise on as a return for something being as big as YT.
Unfortunately YT is too much of an established platform now for anything else to really threaten it unless there is some major controversial goings on internally that came to light, etc.
What annoyed me about the gun related censoring - the justifications used against that content also applied to, and to a greater degree even, to gambling and some other areas but specifically gambling because YT was quite happy to spam me with gambling ads while shutting down firearms related content even fully educational, etc. i.e. a video on the English civil war period that happened to have firearms of that era on display in the background of some scenes. But I guess gambling ads make YT a lot of money........
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The algorithim is definite more miss than hit but it does throw up some videos definitely worth the views. Like the guy walking through Wales in a straight line for charity.
The How Ridiculous guys did a video at a place in the US (drivetanks.com) which has a load of historic artillery and tanks, etc. that you can shoot (for a lot of money) including some authentic WW2 pieces and some people had a head fit because in the background of the video there was swastikas on the original style installation for the 75mm PaK anti-tank gun......
While there is a ton of absolute trash on YT there is also some really really good stuff as well - some of the project build videos for instance can be really interesting and both entertaining and educational.
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Why would anyone want to watch a video of someone walking in a straight line for charity? bonkers.
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This thread is essentially about making money on the internet but not as your day job.
20 years ago, it was about AllAdvantage and other get-paid-to-surf schemes. That dried up after a couple of years.
15 years ago, it was buying off eBay and selling at mark-up. Some people still do that now.
10 years ago, it was pyramid schemes / multi level marketing such as Forever Living, Younique and Juice Plus.
The last 5 years have been YouTube and Twitch, social media influencers, product placement etc.
But you can do better than all of this. Offer a service that you excel in such as gardening then advertise locally on social media or on a notice board / forum. At the moment I'm hiring a gardener. I'm their 35th client and they've done a pretty good job at doing up my garden. And the other way round too - I've fixed PCs for money and alcohol.
You still need to stick with your day job though
20 years ago, it was about AllAdvantage and other get-paid-to-surf schemes. That dried up after a couple of years.
15 years ago, it was buying off eBay and selling at mark-up. Some people still do that now.
10 years ago, it was pyramid schemes / multi level marketing such as Forever Living, Younique and Juice Plus.
The last 5 years have been YouTube and Twitch, social media influencers, product placement etc.
But you can do better than all of this. Offer a service that you excel in such as gardening then advertise locally on social media or on a notice board / forum. At the moment I'm hiring a gardener. I'm their 35th client and they've done a pretty good job at doing up my garden. And the other way round too - I've fixed PCs for money and alcohol.
You still need to stick with your day job though
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You clearly haven't seen the videos.
Tbf the only reason said video got promoted was because it was hammered on reddit.
Have you seen it? Not as simple as described - he's walking a literal horizontal line from the English border with all the obstacles you might expect (private farmland, hedgerows, swollen rivers etc). This isn't a place for discussion but it was definitely a sight for sore eyes in the sea of clickbait aimed at an obvious younger demographic.
They have an allegedly intelligence algorithm which searches for that kind of thing, then bans stuff randomly.
YT is going to implode eventually due to it's stupid policies.
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There's a term " biting the hand that feeds you" YT ers might want to learn
When the hand that feeds you is constantly kicking you in the teeth eventually you're going to look for another hand, which is the movement we're looking at if this doesn't get sorted by the sounds of things.
This is mytake.
"Content creators" can be people doing useful stuff like product testing, or it can just be people recording themselves doing stuff.
If you're just recording yourself eating, or playing a game, or... I've never defined that as creating anything.
The creators are the engineers and artists and designers who made the game. The bloke talking crap and squealing into his mike as he reacts to something in the game is not "creating" anything.
Half of these people think they're important and useful to society. Looks like they're getting a dose of reality.
Nonsense. It may seem the content that gets recommended cater to the lowest common denominator but that's simply what the algorithim throws out which is trending, again because Youtube is primiarly watched by a younger audieince. Who else has enough free time to watch it? But look beyond that, there are thousands of channels in the 100k-500k mark that produce quality content that is worth a watch. As always you generalise.
I don't think you even read my post before going on the defensive. Heh.