Misgendering? Sam Smith is now they or them, not he or him?!

Yaayuh! · 15 Sep 2019 at 20:58

Some brilliant triggers in here, it’s quite amazing.
Bad weekend, GD?

Django x2 · 15 Sep 2019 at 22:10

Jono8 said:
Why would this affect your enjoyment of their music?

Because he's failing to identify as either male or female and I don't agree with that viewpoint so I don't particularly feel like I want to listen to his music anymore.

Jono8 · 15 Sep 2019 at 22:13

Django x2 said:
Because he's failing to identify as either male or female and I don't agree with that viewpoint so I don't particularly feel like I want to listen to his music anymore.

You don't agree that someone can't identify as being male or female?

Angilion · 15 Sep 2019 at 23:20

Hmmm...this is interesting. A quick look at the history of using "they" as a singular pronoun yields some mixed results with different sources using different texts. Wycliffe's bible, Canterbury Tales...both are mentioned, but are they actually in the original text or have they been changed rather more recently? For example, I place more trust in the Gutenberg project than Wikipedia. The latter has singular "they" in the Pardoner's Prologue of the Canterbury Tales, the former does not.

I think I'll go with the OED as a reliable source. It traces singular "they" to 1375 (still predating modern English entirely!) and speculates that it was in use before then because it was written without comment or explanation, which implies that it was already common enough usage to not require one. Singular "they" has certainly been used quite extensively for centuries, including by extremely respected writers. Shakespeare, for example.

FoxEye · 15 Sep 2019 at 23:31

Diddums said:
From now on can you all refer to me as Terraformer please, that's what I identify as now.

I've got a sensor array that needs building over by that fungus.

Delvis · 16 Sep 2019 at 07:59

Jono8 said:
You don't agree that someone can't identify as being male or female?

Some people can't grasp things unless they've personally dealt with said subject. It just doesn't compute with them

"I don't understand"
"I don't think like that"
"No one I know thinks like that"

adidan · 16 Sep 2019 at 08:06

Mikeey said:
I have zero tolerance for this kind of stuff.

Utter BS. We’re all different but don’t start changing the language because you’re issues are deemed so important that you can’t cope with it any other way

How is it changing the language? Have you never refered to anybody as 'they'?

SPG · 16 Sep 2019 at 08:57

Delvis said:
Some people can't grasp things unless they've personally dealt with said subject. It just doesn't compute with them

"I don't understand"
"I don't think like that"
"No one I know thinks like that"

So tell me what is wrong with that.... oh wait i forgot your not allowed to have an opinion unless its the same as yours these days.

Scort · 16 Sep 2019 at 09:17

Nasher said:
Normal people don't ask what someone's "pronoun" is, I wouldn't. They will assume he is a man, because he is a man. If they get offended then they can be offended.

Suggesting we make not indulging in someone else's fantasy world a criminal matter is just ridiculous though.

100% this tbh.

Terminal_Boy · 16 Sep 2019 at 09:20

FoxEye said:
I've got a sensor array that needs building over by that fungus.

That’s not a fungus...

ttaskmaster · 16 Sep 2019 at 12:18

robgmun · 16 Sep 2019 at 12:27

ttaskmaster said:
Most people won't be referring to him as anything, as he's not famous or noteworthy enough to talk about.
/end thread.

Haha, Burn!

I'm not to referring to anyone as "They" it sounds like his schizophrenic narcissist and he can jog on

ebilcake · 16 Sep 2019 at 14:10

Don't know who he is and don't really care, sounds like an attention seeker.

Just another gay celeb who shares too much.

Kronos · 16 Sep 2019 at 14:14

My mother was Polish and my father French, I wish to be identified as a duster, boom boom.

Django x2 · 16 Sep 2019 at 15:52

Jono8 said:
You don't agree that someone can't identify as being male or female?

No. You have a willy, you're a man, you have a vagina, you're a woman. It doesn't get more simple than that. There is no in-between.

Armageus · 16 Sep 2019 at 16:02

Django x2 said:
No. You have a willy, you're a man, you have a vagina, you're a woman. It doesn't get more simple than that. There is no in-between.

Whilst I agree, seemingly there is an interim state whereby a man who wants to be a woman, feels the need to dress as a woman whilst waiting for aforementioned appendage to be removed.

Django x2 · 16 Sep 2019 at 16:06

Armageus said:
Whilst I agree, seemingly there is an interim state whereby a man who wants to be a woman, feels the need to dress as a woman whilst waiting for aforementioned appendage to be removed.

There's not a scientific state. There's a "the world is mean" state. Let's but we confuse the two.

Thekwango · 16 Sep 2019 at 16:24

Armageus said:
Whilst I agree, seemingly there is an interim state whereby a man who wants to be a woman, feels the need to dress as a woman whilst waiting for aforementioned appendage to be removed.

still just dude dressed in a skirt though. till the pee pee is changed to a foo foo he's still a dude.

Cleisthenes · 16 Sep 2019 at 16:34

The lack of empaphy in this thread is astounding, why do those that are against this feel like they have to announce their lack of acceptance to the world?

FoxEye · 16 Sep 2019 at 16:37

Thekwango said:
still just dude dressed in a skirt though. till the pee pee is changed to a foo foo he's still a dude.

A dude missing an eye isn't a cyclops, and a dude missing a **** isn't a woman

Most people have to be programmed to believe that, because it isn't a conclusion that you would reach through experience and observation.

Which is why there is so much time and money being spent on "reeducating" us - esp kids

They will grow up believing that a man isn't a man if he says he's a woman. Or a kitsune. Or an attack helicopter.