I know Microsoft have tried and failed/pulled out, but Windows 10 is surely by far the most prevalent desktop/laptop OS. A mobile OS that seamlessly integrated with a desktop would be a decent addition. Something that doesn't use Google's services or offers a viable alternative.
Why does every phone other than the iPhone come with android?
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I know Microsoft have tried and failed/pulled out, but Windows 10 is surely by far the most prevalent desktop/laptop OS. A mobile OS that seamlessly integrated with a desktop would be a decent addition. Something that doesn't use Google's services or offers a viable alternative.
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what on windows OS do you want while on a mobile? I had thought this too years ago, but on reflection, it's usually, if anything, the other way around. I wish banks had a windows app that with my finger i could login. I can't see anything on windows that's missing from a mobile. Emails are all in the cloud so sync between mobile and desktop. Browser the same with bookmarks, history etc. youtube/iplayer/netflix all continue/resume from one device to the other. facebook messenger conversations the same. i used to want a windows mobile os, but i'm not seeing what microsoft can bring to the mobile os.
what i would love to see is an email app that you just login into from whatever device you're on. That app has all your email accounts there and there's a desktop version of that app, and a mobile version. when you ger a new phone, you just login with you username and password, and then it does the rest for you. your 4/5 accounts all shown. if you add a new email account to the desktop, it now gets added to your mobile. if you change your signature on the mobile app, it's changed on the desktop one.
That's the only thing for me that's missing between the 2.
Admittedly I'm not a power user so maybe what I'm getting at is that a third player brings new ideas and new approaches, with MS likely being one of the very few companies capable of managing it. Look at iOS - some people love it, some people rabidly hate it. For those people, there is no choice in mobile OS. They will only choose Android or they will only choose an Apple device. And in my opinion, Google is a 'throw it at the wall and see what sticks' kind of geeky tech company that flits around from brainstormed idea to brainstormed idea. Some of those ideas are great, some are utterly awful. Apple is too much the other way. They hold back and then find someone else has innovated and come up with a great idea that they copy 2 years later.
A third company, that is somewhere in the middle can only be a good thing. Look at what's happened to Huawei, just because they didn't have another OS to choose from for their devices. That means the US and Europe lose out on that choice, which is not good for consumers.
Completely Agree.
For me, it's not about wants or needs, its about choice, oligopolies do not benefit the consumer, made even worse when they have to bow to the states requirements.
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Exactly, people should stop allowing android to be the default and only choice other than iOS by stopping buying android devices. It’s a sorry state of affairs that people so willingly roll over and let google take them for a ride.
We should be much much more demanding!
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Ohh really, and what do you propose we buy instead?
I am due to upgrade soon and like the look of the mate 30 pro, however it does not come with the apps store (due idiot Orange and his mindless crap)
Now it is easily put on, this would be a deal breaker for me - no android app store no flipping chance.
Without the software support you are bolloxed, and getting that library of software is very hard.
I am due to upgrade soon and like the look of the mate 30 pro, however it does not come with the apps store (due idiot Orange and his mindless crap)
Now it is easily put on, this would be a deal breaker for me - no android app store no flipping chance.
Without the software support you are bolloxed, and getting that library of software is very hard.
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Either don’t buy or get an iPhone.
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What is is supposed to come with for the OS?
Windows (bit of a failure it seems by their own account they say to use others) or Linus?
I have a Moto Z2 Force (6GB Ram/128GB Storage+ Dual Sim/or SD card) Android phone and its what you call "Stock Android" ie it does not add addition bloatware like some carriers do (my phone was bought directly so not locked to a carrier).
Windows (bit of a failure it seems by their own account they say to use others) or Linus?
I have a Moto Z2 Force (6GB Ram/128GB Storage+ Dual Sim/or SD card) Android phone and its what you call "Stock Android" ie it does not add addition bloatware like some carriers do (my phone was bought directly so not locked to a carrier).
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Right so i have not buy something to er... make a point, where does that leave me? without something i wanted.
Also yes plenty do go between the iphone and android phones and that is fine but to actually turn around and say dont buy just because you dont like the current two supplier situation is quite frankly amazing.
Also yes plenty do go between the iphone and android phones and that is fine but to actually turn around and say dont buy just because you dont like the current two supplier situation is quite frankly amazing.
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Well the only way to affect change is to vote with your wallet...
Or rely on regulation to generate competition.
If people aren’t prepared to vote with their wallets, it may require regulation to generate competition.
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Just be a sheep and buy an iphone and all the crap the Apple Ecosystem comes with because everyone know they are the best and all my friends have one... 
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Just be a sheep and buy an iphone and all the crap the Apple Ecosystem comes with because everyone know they are the best and all my friends have one...
surely that’s better than being an even bigger sheep and buying an android phone?
It’s a bizarre world where this zealot like drive for ‘open source’ has come at the expense of completely destroying competition.
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The phone OS situation is very similar to what played out with the desktop (and then server OS) OS world years ago.
Multiple OS/s, multiple competing hardware vendors with different actual hardware fought it out and really only a handful got through.
That was Microsoft (who took certain shady tactics to win), Linux which always was going to keep a decent % of computers and of course Apple which has a small following today on the desktop but its stable.
Thats it, out of a massive world of computers, hardware, cpu's and software.
We had attempts from both Commodore and Atari with 68000 based computers, both died out as the PC (windows eventually killed them) took over - what was the driving force behind this? Software, windows had almost all of it.
You had various niche boxes from vendors like NexT and other old school Unix workstations and of course Os2 from IBM that died a boring death due to ... software support.
Regulation wont help, yes you can jump up and down on the likes of Microsoft and google because of there past history of iffy practises but at the end of the day if no one wants to produce software for your platform then your buggered.
Ask Ibm how that went, just dont mention NT4.
Multiple OS/s, multiple competing hardware vendors with different actual hardware fought it out and really only a handful got through.
That was Microsoft (who took certain shady tactics to win), Linux which always was going to keep a decent % of computers and of course Apple which has a small following today on the desktop but its stable.
Thats it, out of a massive world of computers, hardware, cpu's and software.
We had attempts from both Commodore and Atari with 68000 based computers, both died out as the PC (windows eventually killed them) took over - what was the driving force behind this? Software, windows had almost all of it.
You had various niche boxes from vendors like NexT and other old school Unix workstations and of course Os2 from IBM that died a boring death due to ... software support.
Regulation wont help, yes you can jump up and down on the likes of Microsoft and google because of there past history of iffy practises but at the end of the day if no one wants to produce software for your platform then your buggered.
Ask Ibm how that went, just dont mention NT4.
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This is why this discussion isn't worth having. You've never liked android, you've never liked any hardware that runs android. You are firmly style over function and so it makes sense given that android's entire ethos is somewhat pointed in the other direction.
Good idea. Stop buying iPhones, then regulation will come?
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This is why this discussion isn't worth having. You've never liked android, you've never liked any hardware that runs android. You are firmly style over function and so it makes sense given that android's entire ethos is somewhat pointed in the other direction.
Good idea. Stop buying iPhones, then regulation will come?
I prefer function over form but that's why I buy iPhones. I've never thought of android as having an ethos of function over form; it's always seemed like a tool for google to hoover up as much personally identifiable data as possible to exploit its users and profit from them as much as they can. Android users are like a cheap date; they give up so much yet get so little for it.
I love Samsung hardware, it's the operating system that lets it down.
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You do realise Google feed off your data on all devices that run Google apps and services right? This includes iPhones. Apple also use your data to better target services and ads in your direction. Google isn't a lone wolf like the way you are making out. All of them do it. Google are just the bigger more well known body. They also offer the largest range of services absolutely free for that privilege.
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Lol.
cheep date.
Like Apple does not hoover up user information and does not sell it.
Who do you think pays for all these multi billion dollar data centres? Who do you think pays for all the advanced Rnd that goes not only into hardware development but software as well?
We do, as consumers we pay for it through things like personal information and advertising.
Without this we wouldnt have the ability to type a search query into a webpage and have tens of thousands of answers in under a second.
Apparently the processing power for one google search query .. just the one.. is similar to what Nasa used (in computing power) to send man to the moon in the 60s.
Now where does all that technological advancement come from? pixies? money chest at the end of the rainbow or maybe it falls from the sky?
No it is paid for by data sales to people wanting to sell more crap. Google make a lot of money but they spend an absolutely ginormous sum to do that, same with Amazon.. Apple... ect.. all the same.
So cheep date, more like expensive princess.
cheep date.
Like Apple does not hoover up user information and does not sell it.
Who do you think pays for all these multi billion dollar data centres? Who do you think pays for all the advanced Rnd that goes not only into hardware development but software as well?
We do, as consumers we pay for it through things like personal information and advertising.
Without this we wouldnt have the ability to type a search query into a webpage and have tens of thousands of answers in under a second.
Apparently the processing power for one google search query .. just the one.. is similar to what Nasa used (in computing power) to send man to the moon in the 60s.
Now where does all that technological advancement come from? pixies? money chest at the end of the rainbow or maybe it falls from the sky?
No it is paid for by data sales to people wanting to sell more crap. Google make a lot of money but they spend an absolutely ginormous sum to do that, same with Amazon.. Apple... ect.. all the same.
So cheep date, more like expensive princess.
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There are no google apps on my phone.
You use Google services, you've already submitted your target information to Google. Doesn't matter if you have an app installed or not. Unless you do everything on a Google service behind an incognito mode or something similar. Which I very much doubt.
I assume until recently you exclusively used Windows or Blackberry?