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I wonder if the rumoured demo on 58 minutes will have any affect?
How many people take part will depend on the score at that time - if we are 2-0 down then it could have legs.
If we are winning, not many will leave their seats.

I think choosing the biggest game of the season to try it, is a mistake personally, as passions will be running very high.
Not sure if I can leave my seat if we are winning tbh.

So many plastics. The team has been taken back to bare bones for a rebuild. These things take time and it pretty obvious we don't have the players right now of Man Utd quality but need to make sure we are employing ones of Man Utd heart and not just buying anyone.
 
I think you are missing the point mate, the demo isn't against the team or performances, it is against the Glazer ownership.
They bought the Club with borrowed money, and ladened it against the Club.
They are using the Club as a cash cow, and they are the root cause of the situation we are in now.
 
I think you are missing the point mate, the demo isn't against the team or performances, it is against the Glazer ownership.
They bought the Club with borrowed money, and ladened it against the Club.
They are using the Club as a cash cow, and they are the root cause of the situation we are in now.

We have spent more than any other club bar City. That has got nothing to do with the Glazers. Well it does because they more than likely sanctioned the money to be spent. 99% of club owners are dodgy its what's below them that matters. No one would be doing a walkout if we were top of the league.

If we didn't spend all that money and wages on rubbish we could have been debt clear now!

Sanchez wages alone could have accounted to 1/10th of the debt.
 
I suggest that you read up on the Glazer ownership before you make ill advised comments like that.
Also, do you think letting Lukaku go and then Sanchez, leaving us extremely short of centre forward options was a footballing decision?
It was a financial one, the Glazers and Woodward the puppet that pulled those strings, bringing in no back up is another reason we are struggling to score.
 
I suggest that you read up on the Glazer ownership before you make ill advised comments like that.
Also, do you think letting Lukaku go and then Sanchez, leaving us extremely short of centre forward options was a footballing decision?
It was a financial one, the Glazers and Woodward the puppet that pulled those strings, bringing in no back up is another reason we are struggling to score.

Letting Lukaku and Sanchez go was fantastic in my book. Knee jerk buying players to replace them is going to get you back to where you started. Would rather struggle for a season and buy players we need than any old player because lets face it even if we kept Lukaku and Sanchez we are no where near City or Liverpool. The links to Mario Mandzukic in January are just stupid.

I also thought letting Lukaku go for a mere couple of million loss was fantastic business. I honestly thought we would get something in the region of 40 million.

Would I like to be owned by someone who loves the club is a multi billionaire and clears the debt? Obviously yes but things could be worse. You could be owned by Mike Ashley.
 
You lost more than a couple of million on Lukaku. He cost £75m + £15m in add-ons (who knows exactly how much of that was paid) and Inter paid £64m + £9m odd in add-ons with £5m of that fee being paid to Everton due to a sell-on clause.
 
So many plastics. The team has been taken back to bare bones for a rebuild. These things take time and it pretty obvious we don't have the players right now of Man Utd quality but need to make sure we are employing ones of Man Utd heart and not just buying anyone.

This doesn't make sense. No we don't have the players to compete for the title. We are closer to the quality of player that Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and City have than we are to the teams at the bottom of the league though. Top managers get more from their teams than the sum of their parts. Despite what Liverpool fans will tell you, they don't have a fantastic 11. They have quality in vital positions but they have a great manager with a plan who coaches his team and his players to get the best from them.

OGS isn't getting even close to par from this set of players. Thats the issue. With the squad we have we should be sitting in the top 6. Arsenal don't have a better squad than us. Tottenham are a prime example of another team that isn't performing at the moment. If it wasn't for their form from the past few seasons you would think half their players were awful.
 
This doesn't make sense. No we don't have the players to compete for the title. We are closer to the quality of player that Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and City have than we are to the teams at the bottom of the league though. Top managers get more from their teams than the sum of their parts. Despite what Liverpool fans will tell you, they don't have a fantastic 11. They have quality in vital positions but they have a great manager with a plan who coaches his team and his players to get the best from them.

OGS isn't getting even close to par from this set of players. Thats the issue. With the squad we have we should be sitting in the top 6. Arsenal don't have a better squad than us. Tottenham are a prime example of another team that isn't performing at the moment. If it wasn't for their form from the past few seasons you would think half their players were awful.

It took Klopp 4 years to win anything (Not to mention his huge previous experience under Borrusia) yet everyone expects Ole to be winning like mad with not even a year under his belt. We got glimpses of what he can do in his early part due to the full squad he had. Pochettino it is even worse for him as he has built that team over several years and look how they are. Maybe I am blinded as I am a huge fan of Ole and he was one of my childhood favourites but you have to give him the time to at least complete what he has started. If he can pull it off you have a potential manager who is still young with 10-15 years worth in him. You could also sack him off and change managers every couple of years like other teams.
 
It took Klopp 4 years to win anything (Not to mention his huge previous experience under Borrusia) yet everyone expects Ole to be winning like mad with not even a year under his belt. We got glimpses of what he can do in his early part due to the full squad he had. Pochettino it is even worse for him as he has built that team over several years and look how they are. Maybe I am blinded as I am a huge fan of Ole and he was one of my childhood favourites but you have to give him the time to at least complete what he has started. If he can pull it off you have a potential manager who is still young with 10-15 years worth in him. You could also sack him off and change managers every couple of years like other teams.

I don’t get this argument. Klopp has never had Liverpool near the relegation places. He has never looked like he doesn’t have a plan or a style to his team. He has never looked like he is in over his head or that he can’t improve his team or players.

He has taken a team with the likes of Milner, Henderson, Matip, Wijnaldum etc to win the CL and compete with City for the league. He improves players and makes average players better and makes them function as vital parts of a good team.

Time does not make an average manager world class. You wouldn’t take an average youth footballer and turn him into Ronaldo by making him go to the same academy. Talent and aptitude is required to be a top manager and that is quite obvious even when you are not winning silverware. Liverpool have always looked good and improved year on year under Klopp.

The parallels people want to see between him and OGS are simply not there
 
I don’t get this argument. Klopp has never had Liverpool near the relegation places. He has never looked like he doesn’t have a plan or a style to his team. He has never looked like he is in over his head or that he can’t improve his team or players.

He has taken a team with the likes of Milner, Henderson, Matip, Wijnaldum etc to win the CL and compete with City for the league. He improves players and makes average players better and makes them function as vital parts of a good team.

Time does not make an average manager world class. You wouldn’t take an average youth footballer and turn him into Ronaldo by making him go to the same academy. Talent and aptitude is required to be a top manager and that is quite obvious even when you are not winning silverware. Liverpool have always looked good and improved year on year under Klopp.

The parallels people want to see between him and OGS are simply not there

I guess you never watched Liverpool before they got Salah and Alison. They finished 8th in their first season under Klopp and scraped a 4th place in his second. People always like to forget the past. This is from a manager that had a wealth of experience from Borrusia.
 
I guess you never watched Liverpool before they got Salah and Alison. They finished 8th in their first season under Klopp and scraped a 4th place in his second. People always like to forget the past. This is from a manager that had a wealth of experience from Borrusia.
I watched Liverpool before we got Salah and Alisson. Klopp inherited a side that had struggled for the previous 15 months, lacked any sort of identity, couldn't score more than a goal a game when Sturridge wasn't fit and rapidly going backwards. In that first season our results remained hugely inconsistent but Klopp still made tangible improvements and changes - from his very first game there was a clear change in terms of style of play and philosophy, we were scoring freely again and week by week you were seeing improvements in performance level. It's also worth noting that we played a crazy amount of games that season due to FA Cup replays and making it to the final of the League Cup and Europa League, beating several strong sides on the way.

As for his 2nd season, I'm not sure why you're making out that finishing 4th was an underachievement. As you say, we finished 8th the previous season (and 6th the season before), yet despite having a negative net spend we climbed back into the top 4. Lets add some context to that too though. Up until November time we were competing with Chelsea at the top of the league, the team had taken a clear shape and we were playing excellent football. We lacked the depth in attack and a defence to sustain that form though and when Coutinho picked up a lengthy injury, followed by Mane leaving for AFCON and then returning only to get injured and miss the remainder of the season a month or so after, our results suffered.

You then have the next season, with another negative net spend and we're reaching the CL final and have put together one of the best sides in European football. We lacked the depth to be able to compete on multiple fronts though and our league form suffered in the final couple of months of the season when injuries built up and we were concentrating on the CL.

I don't think we need to bother going over last season or the start of this season. Klopp hasn't only improved us each season he's been at the club but he's done so with a clear long term plan which has meant we haven't just had the on spike in improvement, we've been able to build on the success of the previous season and get better and better. He's done all of that despite inheriting a squad not nearly as strong as the one Ole did* and having a combined net spend in 4 years as Liverpool manager of equal or even less than Ole spent this summer alone.

*Yes Utd's performances and results fell off a cliff at the end of Mourinho's reign but Utd still had one of the most costly assembled squads in world football and had finished 2nd just 6 months earlier. Other than a short term spike in results, what has Ole changed or improved? Is there any clear change in style of play or an obvious foundation that's being built?
 
I guess you never watched Liverpool before they got Salah and Alison. They finished 8th in their first season under Klopp and scraped a 4th place in his second. People always like to forget the past. This is from a manager that had a wealth of experience from Borrusia.

I have watched them a fair bit over the past 10 years and they have always looked good under Klopp and they have always been improving. They were inconsistent at the start and a few times they looked like they weren't capable of executing what it was very clear they were trying to do but there was always a plan and always improvement.

Do United look like they have a plan when they are on the pitch? No
Do United look like they are improving over multiple games? No
Do United look like a bunch of players that have a clear idea of what their job is in possession and when they lose it? No
Does Ole seem to be improving any of our players? No
Does anything seem to be changing for the better? No

It genuinely baffles me when United fans are so black and white about our manager. If you don't support the manager regardless of all the evidence you are a plastic. If you don't think that giving any manager time and money will take us back to the title you're a plastic.

I will be 100% behind a manager who shows a clear plan, implements it and has us on an upward trajectory. I don't care if we finish 6th or 10th if we play well in half our games and the team is developing an identity and clear tactical game plan. I like the fact that Ole has got rid of Sanchez, Lukaku etc. We needed to buy another midfielder last summer and its costing us massively but that isn't our only issue.

My bare minimum expectation for any manager is to get par from their players. You have a bunch of 7/10 players I expect an average of 7/10 performance on the pitch. I don't expect 6/10 players to be performing at a relegation standard. Thats on the manager.
 
I have watched them a fair bit over the past 10 years and they have always looked good under Klopp and they have always been improving. They were inconsistent at the start and a few times they looked like they weren't capable of executing what it was very clear they were trying to do but there was always a plan and always improvement.

Do United look like they have a plan when they are on the pitch? No
Do United look like they are improving over multiple games? No
Do United look like a bunch of players that have a clear idea of what their job is in possession and when they lose it? No
Does Ole seem to be improving any of our players? No
Does anything seem to be changing for the better? No

It genuinely baffles me when United fans are so black and white about our manager. If you don't support the manager regardless of all the evidence you are a plastic. If you don't think that giving any manager time and money will take us back to the title you're a plastic.

I will be 100% behind a manager who shows a clear plan, implements it and has us on an upward trajectory. I don't care if we finish 6th or 10th if we play well in half our games and the team is developing an identity and clear tactical game plan. I like the fact that Ole has got rid of Sanchez, Lukaku etc. We needed to buy another midfielder last summer and its costing us massively but that isn't our only issue.

My bare minimum expectation for any manager is to get par from their players. You have a bunch of 7/10 players I expect an average of 7/10 performance on the pitch. I don't expect 6/10 players to be performing at a relegation standard. Thats on the manager.

I'm not going to say anything now but I am going to save this quote for the end of the season.
 
Can we discuss yesterday's game in here or does that belong in the football thread? As a Utd fan, I'm glad Liverpool didn't turn up and we had some luck with the VAR. I was fully expecting us to get pasted 4-0 or something.
 
Can we discuss yesterday's game in here or does that belong in the football thread? As a Utd fan, I'm glad Liverpool didn't turn up and we had some luck with the VAR. I was fully expecting us to get pasted 4-0 or something.
Keep all match chat in the relevant spoilers threads while the round of fixtures is still ongoing. If you want to discuss something that happened in a game 4-5 days previous then here would be fine.
 
What do you think:

A) Our league position will be at the end of the season
B) Our quality of football and progression as a team will be.

Top ten with Europa League being our best bet of European football for the next season but with a clear team forming in the process.

Past month we have been without Pogba, Martial, Shaw who are key players in our team. It would be nice to see what will happen when our first eleven are all fit and can string a few games together.
 
Top ten with Europa League being our best bet of European football for the next season but with a clear team forming in the process.

Past month we have been without Pogba, Martial, Shaw who are key players in our team. It would be nice to see what will happen when our first eleven are all fit and can string a few games together.
You mention a clear team forming and then later go on to mention Pogba, Martial and Shaw as key players. One is actively trying to leave the club and the other two have hugely patchy fitness records, that's before you look at their inconsistent form. I'm not sure how wise it would be to build a team on that basis.
 
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