SuperHub 3 router / modem mode?

Ice Tea · 12 Jul 2019 at 13:13

Has anyone on 350/500Mbps changed from running the SH3 in modem mode back to running the SH3 as a router , is it bearable or does it feel like a downgrade with issues?

bremen1874 · 12 Jul 2019 at 13:42

What's a 'fixed network'? Are you talking about Ethernet?

If you have devices that can use Ethernet then going to a wireless connection is always going to be a downgrade. How much of a downgrade will depend on both the equipment and the use case.

If you were using their hub in modem mode you must have had a router plugged in. The choice of that router will have an impact on any comparisons.

Knowing why you'd want to do this in the first place would also help you get more informed answers.

Ice Tea · 12 Jul 2019 at 13:56

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Type_R · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:03

Ice Tea said:
Has anyone on 350/500Mbps changed from running a fixed network in modem mode over to Wi-Fi only on the superhub 3 , is it bearable or does it feel like a downgrade?

Lol fixed network :eek:

Avalon · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:03

Ice Tea said:
Sorry you don't understand the question , i'm not after opinions , only the experience from SH3 users who understand what a fixed hard-wired Cat network is (in modem mode) that have swapped over to Wi-Fi only on the SH3.

You've missed the point, bremen1874 wasn't questioning you because he doesn't understand the question or terminology, he was asking because it's painfully obvious that you don't understand what you're asking from the way you structured the question and your subsequent reply.

Ice Tea · 12 Jul 2019 at 23:16

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Ice Tea · 12 Jul 2019 at 23:31

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Blonked · 13 Jul 2019 at 00:31

I'm staying in Modem mode until they release the SH4 in a few months as some people say the superhub jitter has been fixed but others say it's still the same with random drop outs resulting in a power cycle to get back online.

Your question would be better suited to the VirginMedia forum so it stays on topic.

Ice Tea · 13 Jul 2019 at 00:45

BAH!

I'm fedup with all the extra clutter running in Modem mode , looks like it's best if i wait for the new superhub , thanks.

spoffle · 13 Jul 2019 at 02:08

Ice Tea said:
BAH!

I'm fedup with all the extra clutter running in Modem mode , looks like it's best if i wait for the new superhub , thanks.

I straight up couldn't figure out what you were asking. Your opening post was very confusing with the terminology you used.

Ice Tea · 13 Jul 2019 at 02:49

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Ice Tea · 13 Jul 2019 at 02:59

Blonked said:
some people say the superhub jitter has been fixed but others say it's still the same with random drop outs resulting in a power cycle to get back online.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...-flaw-that-hit-virgin-media-hub-3-router.html

This link from the end of last year seems to give the impression that the superhub was fixed with firmware updates did that fail to resolve the jitter and drop outs as it does say there is a Puma CPU flaw?

spoffle · 13 Jul 2019 at 07:24

Ice Tea said:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...-flaw-that-hit-virgin-media-hub-3-router.html

This link from the end of last year seems to give the impression that the superhub was fixed with firmware updates did that fail to resolve the jitter and drop outs as it does say there is a Puma CPU flaw?

They say it's been fixed, but I don't believe it actually has. I think it's just been reduced as much as they can manage. I get issues related to Puma 6 problems.

Blonked · 13 Jul 2019 at 08:47

At the root of all this is the fact that the somewhat weak CPU (processor) inside the modem component of Virgin’s router (Puma 6) was taking on too much work while processing network packets

Recently some Virgin Media customers have also claimed that the fix may be negatively impacting their WiFi performance (perhaps not too surprising given how the load has been switched around inside), but as we’ve said before there’s a limit to what the ISP or Intel can do about all this (underpowered hardware) and others report no such issues.

Yeah , spoffle is spot on as no amount of firmware tweaking is going to completely fix it , None of the superhubs have been of a very high spec so lets hope they get it right for the new Docsis3.1 SH4 or none of us will get good gigabit speeds.

Ice Tea · 13 Jul 2019 at 10:07

Suppose it will be the usual thing that new customers get the SH4 first for free and the rest of us have to pay £20 shipping.

R3X · 25 Dec 2019 at 20:58

The super hub 4.0 is apparently using the Arris modems.... Arris modems were in the hub 3.0.

Some details here:

"On the whole this is an improvement over the Hub 3 but we’re disappointed to see no USB ports on the back. We should point out that the Puma 7 chipset was also affected by that aforementioned latency bug from 2-3 years ago but it’s extra performance made this easier to resolve (in theory this shouldn’t be a problem any more for the Hub 4"

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.p...-future-hub-4-gigabit-connect-box-router.html

Ice Tea · 26 Dec 2019 at 09:59

Fugly

b00merang69 · 26 Dec 2019 at 10:12

I am sure the HUB 4 has been talked about in another thread, it has 1Gb/s Ports so cannot do 1Gb/s over Ethernet but possibly can on WIFI AC (it has no WIFI 6/AX), they get away with the 1Gb/s + 10% Extra Contention on top claim due to the fact the build in Samknows App will show VM can deliver 1Gb/s to the HUB4 from the Coax just not to your PC.

1Gb/s NIC about 950MB/s max (guesstimate ) so 1Gb/s+10% you are loosing out on I guess 200-300Mb/s due to the LAN ports limitation.

I believe she touches on these points in her video.

Avalon · 26 Dec 2019 at 12:44

b00merang69 said:
I am sure the HUB 4 has been talked about in another thread, it has 1Gb/s Ports so cannot do 1Gb/s over Ethernet but possibly can on WIFI AC (it has no WIFI 6/AX), they get away with the 1Gb/s + 10% Extra Contention on top claim due to the fact the build in Samknows App will show VM can deliver 1Gb/s to the HUB4 from the Coax just not to your PC.

1Gb/s NIC about 950MB/s max (guesstimate ) so 1Gb/s+10% you are loosing out on I guess 200-300Mb/s due to the LAN ports limitation.

I believe she touches on these points in her video.

Even if VM put 2.5Gb or faster LAN ports on the router, the number of consumer devices that actually support the standard is tiny at this stage and the consumer hardware pricing to do so is disproportionately high. As long as they deliver greater than 1Gbit to the hub, they can claim to be the fastest gigabit connection provider, as it’s the connection to the hub that you pay for, it’s just going to take multiple clients to max it out for the user.

R3X · 26 Dec 2019 at 20:11

Seems kinda ironic Virgin offer 1gig+ yet going wired nothing can accept it !