Why are GPUs so expensive?

[TNA]

Noob.

Who says that now? You sound like you've just left your fathers nutsack and used the internet for the first time.

Rookie...

So when you cannot defend yourself using your brain you resort to insults? I see nothing has changed.

Keep on digging. Hahahahaha.

 

[silvagti]

For the price of a 2080 Ti you could probably buy the Series X, PS5 and a Nintendo system, all of which would have someone sorted for 5+ years, easy.

That's what really begs the question whether it's sensible spending that kind of money on a GPU. Plus that's before you factor in the cost of buying the rest of a high end PC to go with an RTX 2080/3080.

I'm sure a lot of people are wondering whether it's better just to buy a combination of ps5/Xbox Sx/Nintendo switch and a moderately specced laptop/desktop so they can be done with hardware upgrades for the next 4-5 years.

 

[DELETED_195422]

That's what really begs the question whether it's sensible spending that kind of money on a GPU. Plus that's before you factor in the cost of buying the rest of a high end PC to go with an RTX 2080/3080.

I'm sure a lot of people are wondering whether it's better just to buy a combination of ps5/Xbox Sx/Nintendo switch and a moderately specced laptop/desktop so they can be done with hardware upgrades for the next 4-5 years.

Definitely. Value for money has never been at the top end of the GPU market. The line between PC/consoles will be even more blurred next gen.

Every platform has its pros/cons, but i feel Nvidia need to offer serious value for money with their next SKUs.

I think it's a decent option i.e. consoles for graphically demanding games, but PC for everything else. I could see many going down that route for their gaming needs, if GPUs continue to be overpriced as they are today.

What's even worse is the PC gaming press are useless and don't even call Nvidia/AMD out on the overpricing with the fear of being blacklisted.

 

[Twinz]

I thought a lot of the reviews were panning Nvidia for their prices.

IIRC, GN kind of recommended people get a 1080 Ti instead of a 2080 in their 2080 review.

 

[TNA]

Definitely. Value for money has never been at the top end of the GPU market. The line between PC/consoles will be even more blurred next gen.

Every platform has its pros/cons, but i feel Nvidia need to offer serious value for money with their next SKUs.

I think it's a decent option i.e. consoles for graphically demanding games, but PC for everything else. I could see many going down that route for their gaming needs, if GPUs continue to be overpriced as they are today.

What's even worse is the PC gaming press are useless and don't even call Nvidia/AMD out on the overpricing with the fear of being blacklisted.

Finally you post something that makes a bit more sense, unlike your Stadia praising posts where you heavily criticised the next gen consoles

Nvidia should consider going back to their previous price model where they just use the Titan’s to milk people and stick to $699 for the 3080Ti. If they release the Titan 3-6 months before, even at $2000 people with loads of cash will buy it. Then cut down the amount of ram and release it as a 3080Ti for $699 and watch everyone suddenly praise Nvidia again.

3070 should be no more than $399 but I think they will ask for more.

All depends on when they will launch though. If they do it in the first half of 2020 like I think they will then they may still charge more and drop prices around the time the consoles come out.

My plan as of now is to get a RTX 3070 and a PS5 and be done with it.

 

[Grim5]

I thought a lot of the reviews were panning Nvidia for their prices.

IIRC, GN kind of recommended people get a 1080 Ti instead of a 2080 in their 2080 review.

At the time of the review the 1080ti was still for sale and cheaper than the 2080 and the performance was identical between them.

but by now new games are all optimized for Turing so they are no longer the same and the 2080 can be up to 20% faster depending on the game

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Finally you post something that makes a bit more sense, unlike your Stadia praising posts where you heavily criticised the next gen consoles

Nvidia should consider going back to their previous price model where they just use the Titan’s to milk people and stick to $699 for the 3080Ti. If they release the Titan 3-6 months before, even at $2000 people with loads of cash will buy it. Then cut down the amount of ram and release it as a 3080Ti for $699 and watch everyone suddenly praise Nvidia again.

3070 should be no more than $399 but I think they will ask for more.

All depends on when they will launch though. If they do it in the first half of 2020 like I think they will then they may still charge more and drop prices around the time the consoles come out.

My plan as of now is to get a RTX 3070 and a PS5 and be done with it.

The issue atm (as I see it) isn’t so much Nvidia have ball busting prices on certain product skus, its that they want top dollar for mid-range perf and ludicrous prices for anything above what was 1080Ti perf. I think the 3080Ti will see a nominal price drop but will it a) have some woeful perf gain over the 2080Ti general raster perf and b) be held back post release so you’re initially forced to look at 3070 and 3080 products with a Titan XXX making them look like some value for money next to the already hugely overpriced 2000 series?

Lack of choice atm is hugely depressing you’re basically forced into staying put or being fleeced like NZ sheep grazing on a crater if you want anything more than what was on offer 3yrs ago. Fingers crossed for some good news at CES

 

[TNA]

The issue atm (as I see it) isn’t so much Nvidia have ball busting prices on certain product skus, its that they want top dollar for mid-range perf and ludicrous prices for anything above what was 1080Ti perf. I think the 3080Ti will see a nominal price drop but will it a) have some woeful perf gain over the 2080Ti general raster perf and b) be held back post release so you’re initially forced to look at 3070 and 3080 products with a Titan XXX making them look like some value for money next to the already hugely overpriced 2000 series?

Lack of choice atm is hugely depressing you’re basically forced into staying put or being fleeced like NZ sheep grazing on a crater if you want anything more than what was on offer 3yrs ago. Fingers crossed for some good news at CES

Yeah I agree, that is why I am not buying a 2070$ and waiting for an improvement to price for performance with the 3000 series.

First world problems eh?

 

[Twinz]

At the time of the review the 1080ti was still for sale and cheaper than the 2080 and the performance was identical between them.

but by now new games are all optimized for Turing so they are no longer the same and the 2080 can be up to 20% faster depending on the game

Maybe the "super" version on "some games". My PC is pretty much a Project Cars 2/VR machine, (At least that's the only thing I do that stresses it) and there's still no real difference between my current 1080 Ti and the 2080.

The 2080 Ti, would allow me to bump a few settings, but not the kind of improvement that I want to spend $1k for.

It's a shame too. The HP reverb seems to have worked out its early issues and now could be a legitimate next-gen upgrade from my CV1. -Only I would have to turn *down* settings to run it even with a 2080 Ti.

I'm hoping next year involves two upgrades:
1) 3080Ti or Big Navi
2) HP Reverb or better.

 

[subbytna]

For the price of a 2080 Ti you could probably buy the Series X, PS5 and a Nintendo system, all of which would have someone sorted for 5+ years, easy.

When you stop and think about it in that way, that's mad....and highlites the ridiculousness of pricing.

 

[Panos]

When you stop and think about it in that way, that's mad....and highlites the ridiculousness of pricing.

Heretic


(I am with you, wrote that several times in here).

 

[BigBANGtheory]

When you stop and think about it in that way, that's mad....and highlites the ridiculousness of pricing.

at last we are seeing sense break through the marketing BS and "yeah man like failure rates on large silicon is just like so expensive"... just not that expensive eh Nvidia

 

[Calin Banc]

Nvidia/AMD will have a serious problem selling mid-range cards at high-end prices next year.

Also, Nvidia should be developing their own games/creating their own studios to push PC hardware to it's limits. PC gaming has had a problem with parity for years now, it's a reason i would never buy a £1K card as it's just souped-up console ports PC get now.

Pushing the PC limits to what extend, in which way? Some people will want 120fps or more, others are content with 60fps or even 30. Would you imagine if the next Crysis will come out and require 2 or 3 2080ti to go beyond 60fps in 1080p?

Let's not forget that going from 30 to 60fps it requires to double the power and then double that for 120fps, meaning what you can do with a 4tf card@30fps, you need a 8tf for 60fps and 16tf for 120fps while keeping the image quality and resolution the same - of course, in a perfect world. So even though a 2080ti is much more powerful than whatever is in the consoles, if you're not getting better image quality (as in higher settings), then you're getting more in terms of resolution and FPS.

I would rather say the limiting factor this time around is the CPU in consoles, so everything that has to do with physics, AI, big open and diverse worlds has to be made with some very tight limits. And of for sure storage - HDD vs. SSD, and why not, RAM.

 

[aoaaron]

Pushing the PC limits to what extend, in which way? Some people will want 120fps or more, others are content with 60fps or even 30. Would you imagine if the next Crysis will come out and require 2 or 3 2080ti to go beyond 60fps in 1080p?

Let's not forget that going from 30 to 60fps it requires to double the power and then double that for 120fps, meaning what you can do with a 4tf card@30fps, you need a 8tf for 60fps and 16tf for 120fps while keeping the image quality and resolution the same - of course, in a perfect world. So even though a 2080ti is much more powerful than whatever is in the consoles, if you're not getting better image quality (as in higher settings), then you're getting more in terms of resolution and FPS.

I would rather say the limiting factor this time around is the CPU in consoles, so everything that has to do with physics, AI, big open and diverse worlds has to be made with some very tight limits. And of for sure storage - HDD vs. SSD, and why not, RAM.

Great point. Graphics can be downscaled and upscaled. AI and.. you know.. gameplay.. can't.

I think NVIDIA should open up their own game studios too though to allow PC gamers to enjoy exclusive titles native to their GPUs. Heck if they're going to go all in with trying to destroy AMD, just drive home the nail into the coffin NVIDIA. I believe thats fundamentally what they're trying to do with their RTX re-make games.

 

[Calin Banc]

Won't be good for us, end users and most likely isn't viable from a financial standpoint.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

There are super cheap 4K TVs - Hitachi HK5100 43" for less than 200 pounds, Hitachi HK5100 55" for ~ 350 pounds.

And there are still no PCs capable to deliver an appropriate gaming signal to these!

Something's very wrong with AMD's and nvidia's targets, goals and execution!

what are you talking about?

first of all cheap 4K TV's are crap in terms of everything usually. backlight bleed, colours, banding, motion control, etc, etc. a decent 4k tv is bare minimum £400 in the sales for a 43". for a 55" then at least £1K usually. albeit in sales you can get 65" XF90 for £1K. basically a lot more than £200 for a 43". the bigger you go the easier it is to see flaws especially when sitting 1 foot away from the screen.

also my pc can output a 4k signal and my mate has gamed on a 4k tv on his pc for like 3-4 years now. he even had dual 1080ti's at one point.

 

[Nasher]

I find the picture on many of the 4k screens quite dim, especially in the default "eco" setup.

Will anything ever beat the old Panasonic plasmas. Even now they still look better despite being 1080 :/

 

[TNA]

I find the picture on many of the 4k screens quite dim, especially in the default "eco" setup.

Will anything ever beat the old Panasonic plasmas. Even now they still look better despite being lower res :/

I have a plasma, my OLED beats it without a sweat. Still love my plasma though, it is in my bedroom now

 

[DELETED_195422]

Pushing the PC limits to what extend, in which way? Some people will want 120fps or more, others are content with 60fps or even 30. Would you imagine if the next Crysis will come out and require 2 or 3 2080ti to go beyond 60fps in 1080p?

I'll just quote an old post regarding the subject. It'll save me re-typing it.

There was a time in PC gaming when you paid top dollar and you got what you paid for i.e. better graphics, frame rates, etc. There was almost a night and day difference between PC and console versions of games.

Now, not so much, everything is parity, the only aspect PC gaming has in it's favour is high frame rates.

You're spending all this money on high performance hardware and the publishers/devs aren't taking advantage of it. They are targeting the least powerful systems, so that everything runs optimally across the board, it's just souped up console ports at this point.

Sadly, PC gamers spend all this money on hardware just to get versions of games that don't look that much better than the console versions. With many being broken even at release.

With the prices of components forever increasing and getting more expensive, justifying the purchase of high-end components leaves a lot to be desired now.

Marked in bold is the most important point. There are no AAA studios prioritising PC exclusively. It's all multi-platform titles, souped-up versions of console ports. The days of AAA PC only titles is long gone.

Therefore, the platform isn't being pushed to the limit like it used to be.

 

[stooeh]

While they keep targeting 30 fps for console games I will be happy to play them 'souped-up' at 70fps+ at 1440p. The last PC only (at launch) game I was really looking forward to was XCOM 2 and while a great game the performance often left a lot to be desired.