How do religious people explain child mortality?

Evangelion said:
I wasn't aware this was happening. Can you show me statistics for children personally killed by God during the last 50 years? How was this determined? Does the coroner simply tick a box that says 'Killed by God', or is some kind of diagnostic process involved?
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Check how many thousands of babies die from Malaria, Dengue fever and other horrible diseases every day then tell us all why you think your god created Mosquitos? you can't can you?
 
It's kinda funny how some people get so ate up by God.

Why don't we say the same about science? Oh wait, science doesn't actually know how we become fully born, only the physical side.
 
Usher said:
Check how many thousands of babies die from Malaria, Dengue fever and other horrible diseases every day then tell us all why you think your god created Mosquitos? you can't can you?
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I'm confused, how does this equal 'God kills babies'?

You do realise I'm an evolutionist, don't you? Mosquitos weren't created, they evolved just like all other life on this planet.

BowdonUK said:
Oh wait, science doesn't actually know how we become fully born, only the physical side.
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What is that even supposed to mean? Science knows exactly how we're born, and thanks to science birth is now safer than ever before.
 
Evangelion said:
I'm confused, how does this equal 'God kills babies'?

You do realise I'm an evolutionist, don't you? Mosquitos weren't created, they evolved just like all other life on this planet.
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How can you be an evolutionist and also believe in god? Mosquito's have evolved from what? are you saying that god did not 'create' anything?
In reality the two cannot go together unless you are prepared to discredit everything else in the bible - also frequently described as the 'actual word of god'
 
Usher said:
How can you be an evolutionist and also believe in god?
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Mosquito's have evolved from what?
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According to scientific studies, it is believed that mosquitoes are actually in the same family as the house fly. Approximately 200 million years ago the mosquito began its transformation into the creature we know and see today. These studies also show that the modern mosquito looks and behaves very similarly to its predecessors.

The first time the mosquito made its entrance into the world was approximately 79 to 100 million years ago. Scientists have discovered multiple pieces of amber with fossilized mosquito-like insects inside. These insects have been linked to the modern-day mosquito and are likely its earlier evolutionary stages. Mosquitoes are still evolving, and their changes are being tracked today by contemporary scientists.
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(Source).

are you saying that god did not 'create' anything?
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Not in the traditional sense of creation ex nihilo.

In reality the two cannot go together unless you are prepared to discredit everything else in the bible - also frequently described as the 'actual word of god'
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OK, thanks for your opinion.

Threepwood said:
It's called 'Theistic evolution'
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Also called 'evolutionary creationism.'

and, does Evangelion believe in god?
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I do.
 
Usher said:
Check how many thousands of babies die from Malaria, Dengue fever and other horrible diseases every day then tell us all why you think your god created Mosquitos? you can't can you?
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Actually, yes you can.

But the answer is not a one-line answer, it's complicated, even if you believe in direct creation of humans and animals (vs what @Evangelion believes).

It revolves around the first humans being created perfect, and through sin becoming imperfect. And in the (thousands) of years since Adam/Eve, becoming less and less robust, shall we say. Also through sin the first humans rejected direct rule by God, and chose to rule themselves. And thus spawned the era of God basically saying, "OK, go your own way, see how that works out for you. I'll just watch until I choose to stop this experiment." (This isn't a quote it's paraphrasing *heavily*).

In the Bible, the first few human generations had lifespans of 900+ years. They were, I guess you could say, sort of "super human". As time went on and successive more and more imperfect humans were born, lifespan decreased, to what we have now, roughly 70 years.

The fact that modern kids die from malaria and other such things doesn't mean that's how it was supposed to be, or indeed how it will always be.
 
Devout people of faith will just alter and adapt their beliefs and add caveats and exceptions wherever and whenever they are needed, to get around any arguments you throw at them. It is a pointless argument to have. Best just leave them to it.

Religion and politics, two things which should never be discussed and people should keep to themselves. That way everyone will be happier. :p
 
Acme said:
Devout people of faith will just alter and adapt their beliefs and add caveats and exceptions wherever and whenever they are needed, to get around any arguments you throw at them. It is a pointless argument to have. Best just leave them to it.
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You could say that about so many things where people disagree.

You're just describing people, not religion.
 
Acme said:
Devout people of faith will just alter and adapt their beliefs and add caveats and exceptions wherever and whenever they are needed, to get around any arguments you throw at them. It is a pointless argument to have. Best just leave them to it.
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you are undoubtedly right, as science disproves everything in the bible we get 'you cannot take the bible literally' which of course can only be described as a get out clause. Another one is 'the biblical year is many thousands of years' really? is that not just covering up the fact that biblical scholars had no evidence whatsoever of the age of our planet?, no idea how many species of animals there were? no idea of the incredible size of the known universe, that there are more stars than there are grains of sand on Earth X10.
 
FoxEye said:
Some examples please? Curious to know what specifically you're referring to.
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Examples of some of the well known stories? the biblical age of the universe, the Adam & Eve rubbish, god makes a man out of soil and then pulls out his rib to make a woman, really? another version in Genesis says god made them both at the same time! how do you explain that? you actually believe this because it is written in the bible??

Then we have the utterly ridiculous Noah's ark story with 6 million species and their food onboard a wooden boat floating for 40 days because the whole planet is covered in water, really? you believe that? So many more I'd wear out my keyboard.

Now you give examples of what you think is proven in the bible; and it's not permitted to twist things around by using such words as 'a biblical year is different' because you and I both know that it's another get out clause.
 
Usher said:
Examples of some of the well known stories? the biblical age of the universe, the Adam & Eve rubbish, god makes a man out of soil and then pulls out his rib to make a woman, really? another version in Genesis says god made them both at the same time! how do you explain that? you actually believe this because it is written in the bible??

Then we have the utterly ridiculous Noah's ark story with 6 million species and their food onboard a wooden boat floating for 40 days because the whole planet is covered in water, really? you believe that? So many more I'd wear out my keyboard.

Now you give examples of what you think is proven in the bible; and it's not permitted to twist things around by using such words as 'a biblical year is different' because you and I both know that it's another get out clause.
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Sorry I thought you were going to give examples of things in the Bible that science has studied and found to be false/impossible.

Instead you've come back with, "This is rubbish; that is crap; don't even get me started on x,y,z."

So, erm, not quite on the same wavelength I fear.
 
Usher said:
That's exactly what I've given you -things that science proves to be impossible
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OK let's start with the first example you gave.

Question: science has proven that direct creation of a man and a woman by an unknown third entity is impossible?

Can you show me where science has even attempted to prove this? There are quite a few unknowns in the scenario, for a start. What does the higher power look like (I don't mean appearance)?

You have said that science has disproven the Bible, and given this example. I'm all ears to hear about where direct creation of biological life by an unknown entity of unknown origin has been disproved scientifically?

It's your claim, not mine.
 
FoxEye said:
OK let's start with the first example you gave.

Question: science has proven that direct creation of a man and a woman by an unknown third entity is impossible?

Can you show me where science has even attempted to prove this? There are quite a few unknowns in the scenario, for a start. What does the higher power look like (I don't mean appearance)?

You have said that science has disproven the Bible, and given this example. I'm all ears to hear about where direct creation of biological life by an unknown entity of unknown origin has been disproved scientifically?

It's your claim, not mine.
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Oh dear, we are going down that road again are we :rolleyes: do we lump the tooth fairy and pink Elephants along with this as we can't prove they don't exist either but we know very well that they don't.

There is no end to an argument like this, science versus books written thousands of years ago by 40 conflicting authors is all the evidence you need my friend
 
Usher said:
Oh dear, we are going down that road again are we :rolleyes: do we lump the tooth fairy and pink Elephants along with this as we can't prove they don't exist either but we know very well that they don't.

There is no end to an argument like this, science versus books written thousands of years ago by 40 conflicting authors is all the evidence you need my friend
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So there is no scientific case study which disproves creation by an unknown third entity?

Let's take God out of the equation, shall we?

Some people believe humans were created by aliens.

Does science disprove that creation of humans by any third entity is possible? You said it has been disproved, so presumably there has been a study with a conclusion that it isn't possible for any third entity to have created biological life?

What about any biological life?

What if humans manage to create a fully functioning animal from scratch in years to come? What then? Like 3D printing a cow or something.

I guess since it's not possible that will never happen? But who has said it's not possible, ever? Which scientific study has said that?

What if humans manage to grow an entire, living animal from just DNA and non-living matter? What then?
 
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