Police state cometh.

StriderX

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Met Police chief defends facial recognition from 'ill-informed' critics

Instead of, you know, actually doing their jobs, they wish to cry wolf to justify a gross overreach of surveillance and reduce their workload while the system 'just works'...

Look at how our dearest MET commissioner is framing it...

"If an algorithm can help identify, in our criminal intelligence systems material, a potential serial rapist or killer... then I think almost all citizens would want us to use it," she said.
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"The only people who benefit from us not using [it] lawfully and proportionately are the criminals, the rapists, the terrorists and all those who want to harm you, your family and friends."
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"In an age of Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, concern about my image and that of my fellow law-abiding citizens passing through [facial recognition] and not being stored, feels much, much smaller than my and the public's vital expectation to be kept safe from a knife through the chest," she said.
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Disgraceful, that they continue down this path of reacting to crime rather than preventing it and presume the public is thick enough to not know the difference, risible. The only way for mass surveillance to be preventative is if we're going to be a police state, with no sense of privacy whatsoever, how is this acceptable in a free society?

No doubt though the language used will engender this police state into being because it's obviously sensible right...

If this comes to pass, i'll be wearing face coverings for the foreseeable out of spite.
 
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The UK is arguably the 2nd most surveyed country on the planet (after China) with Tempora at our doorstep. Unfortunately we forego any expectation of "privacy" just by living here.
 
Isn’t it true that if you walk around London, particularly central London, you will be being picked up by a camera somewhere every single second?
 
robfosters said:
Isn’t it true that if you walk around London, particularly central London, you will be being picked up by a camera somewhere every single second?
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Perhaps, but it's a different story altogether if one just lets algorithms handle the day job, where's the incentive for police to even exist?

I can totally foresee a future where a camera picks up an innocent person as a terrorist, an armed drone flies across, 'comply or die' blares out of the speakers to all and sundry... and thus we're slaves to this expectation of complying.

When this ****** system of reacting to crime continues to fail, yet more surveillance and harsher legislation will be called for (fOr tHe ChIlDrEn!?!)... and it continues.
 
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StriderX said:
Perhaps, but it's a different story altogether if one just lets algorithms handle the day job, where's the incentive for police to even exist?

I can totally foresee a future where a camera picks up an innocent person, an armed drone flies across, 'comply or die'... and we're slaves to this expectation of complying.
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I think you need to lay off the pipe smoke a bit!
 
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StriderX said:
Perhaps, but it's a different story altogether if one just lets algorithms handle the day job, where's the incentive for police to even exist?

I can totally foresee a future where a camera picks up an innocent person as a terrorist, an armed drone flies across, 'comply or die' blares out of the speakers to all and sundry... and thus we're slaves to this expectation of complying.

When this ****** system of reacting to crime continues to fail, yet more surveillance and harsher legislation will be called for (fOr tHe ChIlDrEn!?!)... and it continues.
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It's not robocop you know! :D Dead or alive you are coming with me.
 
The problem isn't the technology.

It's how its used. In the current mind set of law enforcement were they are allowing groups to push an agenda on to them (non-crime hate crimes etc) then its very dangerous.

Technology as moved forward but the same old thinking is still in place.

I'm sure this is how the Stasi started out "oh just tell us about your neighbour and you'll be helping everyone". Look how that turned out. Everybody informing on everyone else when no crimes were being done.

If we don't watch out we'll be blaming everything on Russia like the Americans do ;)
 
No issue with it at all :) They still need to follow the arrest process and generally I don't break the law. This is just a tool to potentially help the police and if its useful in 5% of occasions then that's great
 
"In an age of Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, concern about my image and that of my fellow law-abiding citizens passing through [facial recognition] and not being stored, feels much, much smaller than my and the public's vital expectation to be kept safe from a knife through the chest,"
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On the other hand.

Perhaps some active policing involving targeted stop and search might prove rather more effective at "Preventing" somebody from getting a Knife in the chest rather than simply having the ability to track the perp after the deed has been done.
 
Orionaut said:
On the other hand.

Perhaps some active policing involving targeted stop and search might prove rather more effective at "Preventing" somebody from getting a Knife in the chest rather than simply having the ability to track the perp after the deed has been done.
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That doesn't work either, it really is as simple as the police interacting with the community, being present and being trustworthy.

You can't stop a burglary from the police station and neither will this ****** attempt to abdicate said responsibility.
 
"If an algorithm can help identify, in our criminal intelligence systems material, a potential serial rapist or killer... then I think almost all citizens would want us to use it," she said.
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Potential rapists/killers?

I'm 'laughing' at just how ludicrous this is.
 
Bobbies on the beat cost a lot of money. If our illustrious Chairman and central committee feel there's cheaper and better options available then they know best.
In addition I trust they'll ban burkas, hoodies and face masks to give this sort a fighting chance as it gets rolled out across our glorious cities, Comrade.
 
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Bobbies on the beat cost a lot of money. If our illustrious Chairman and central committee feel there's cheaper and better options available then they know best.
In addition I trust they'll ban burkas, hoodies and face masks to give this sort a fighting chance as it gets rolled out across our glorious cities, Comrade.
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Costs less to prevent something than react to it though, so it's a total false economy. I get that one cannot possibly prevent all crimes, but to not even attempt to prevent any crime, is rather agitating.
 
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The problem isn't the technology.
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At this stage its very much a problem, facial recognition software is still pretty terrible in its current state, i know because I've had to set it up in numerous places over the past 4-5 years.

Even with the leading software working alongside some of the most expensive CCTV systems it still gives false positives all the time even in optimal conditions, in less than optimal conditions its near enough useless. I've not used all the software out there but i know some other people who have installed various other software systems and reported the same issues.

It's blowing up though, a few years ago facial recognition was getting barely any attention at big security conferences like Intersec etc but in the past couple years its been everywhere despite the product being substandard.
 
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So at the minute there's CCTV everywhere, which you could argue is a problem, but taking the extent of using AI to scan these images for known criminals is a problem, why?

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At this stage its very much a problem, facial recognition software is still pretty terrible in its current state, i know because I've had to set it up in numerous places over the past 4-5 years.

Even with the leading software working alongside some of the most expensive CCTV systems it still gives false negatives all the time even in optimal conditions, in less than optimal conditions its near enough useless. Ive not used all the software out there but i know some other people who have installed various other software systems and reported the same issues.

It's blowing up though, a few years ago facial recognition was getting barely any attention at big security conferences like Intersec etc but in the past couple years its been everywhere despite the product being substandard.
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People aren't going to be thrown in prison on the basis of AI though, they can simply flag up images for humans to review.
 
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