Pavement Park Ban.

SonicSW20 · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:23

Orionaut said:
Developers are specifically limited by planning rules as regards the number of parking places they can provide.

There was an estate built a couple of years ago in Alton where the LA, on inspection, decided that there was too much opportunity for on-road parking and insisted that the developers block same of the spaces off by building "Build outs" with flower beds on them!

Madness really

They want to encourage public transit usage, but don't provide any decent public transit connections because LA's are a bunch of incompetent *****.

Psycho Sonny · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:26

Rroff said:
Problem is increasingly people need a vehicle and increasingly more people are living in one place due to house/rent prices, cost of living and stagnated wages, etc. though yeah those people who have like 15 cars each and take up all the parking in the road need dealing with - where I moved from last year one guy would frequently have 3-5 work vehicles parked up overnight (as well as owning 3 cars and a pickup) when residential parking was already strained.

I understand that but if they are living at home then they can afford to pay the tax. It shouldn't be a lot but it should be enough to deter people from doing it just because they can.

As in most people don't need a car each. If you have 4 people in a house. Chances are they could get away with 2 or 3 cars. They just share them or ask for lifts from each other, etc.

As in I don't need to drive to the train station 2 mins from my home. I could just get a lift there rather than have my car sitting in the car park getting unused. Someone else within the household could use it.

Something needs done because you cannot just have 1 person having 15 vehicles. It's a joke. Currently nothing can be done at least if they were paying additional car tax for every vehicle over 2. I bet you half of them would vanish.

wolfie138 · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:33

every new estate around me, and there's been a lot, are still using 1970's building specs, meaning virtually no modern car can fit in a garage. even some that have "double" garages have had the awesome design feature of a column down the middle to make two separate door - neither of which you can fit a 'ing car through.

Nevakonaza · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:50

I can see this been quite a problem for a road near me which are all terrace houses that their front doors are literally step onto the pavement & have no drive so they literally have to park half/half on the road and pavement all the way up it as its a tight road anyway,With that said there are people that do have drives (in other streets) and just choose not to use them for some bizarre reason.

problem is,Will it be enforced really?,i highly doubt it,and police wont bother they dont even come out to some crimes now so hardly going to be bothered about a car parked on a pavement,

Orionaut · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:51

Psycho Sonny said:
They just share them or ask for lifts from each other, etc.

As in I don't need to drive to the train station 2 mins from my home. I could just get a lift there rather than have my car sitting in the car park getting unused. Someone else within the household could use it.

Insurance rules work against this.

I would love to be able to have a friend of mine "Named" on my policy so she could use /co drive my vehicles, but since I neither employ her nor sleep with her, the Insco wont let me.

(Why are all these rules obsessed about Sex anyway)

Rroff · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:53

Psycho Sonny said:
I understand that but if they are living at home then they can afford to pay the tax. It shouldn't be a lot but it should be enough to deter people from doing it just because they can.

As in most people don't need a car each. If you have 4 people in a house. Chances are they could get away with 2 or 3 cars. They just share them or ask for lifts from each other, etc.

As in I don't need to drive to the train station 2 mins from my home. I could just get a lift there rather than have my car sitting in the car park getting unused. Someone else within the household could use it.

Something needs done because you cannot just have 1 person having 15 vehicles. It's a joke. Currently nothing can be done at least if they were paying additional car tax for every vehicle over 2. I bet you half of them would vanish.

I think that is a bit idealistic - might work for some households but for many these days not so much and people are generally living at home more, etc. because they are struggling financially so it isn't going to deter a lot who simply have no choice.

If you have a situation where say someone is off at 4-5am, parks up at the station 2 miles away and gets the train into Bristol and comes home around 4pm, someone else leaves at 7am to work the opposite direction and often isn't back until 7pm and someone else who leaves for work at 3pm and isn't back until 1am that doesn't really leave much potential for sharing a vehicle.

b00merang69 · 12 Mar 2020 at 14:55

Good, gotten crazy these days with 3-4 car families the norm and they have a driveway but cars still on pavement, sometime with drives empty as too lazy to move them about.

Also would like to see ban on bikes on pavement, got hit by an adult on one 1month back (I was ok, he was not so much).

As my fellow Scot above said, its peoples selfish attitudes today and entitlement.

If a road is too narrow it was too narrow in the 70-90's just meant a shorter line of cars parked there but they did not park on the pavement.

They park on pavements/grass verge/corners in bus stops etc.

I know a couple live in a flat of 6 houses, they have 18 cards for those 6 flats, the couple have 4, but did/may still have 5 themselves (2 of those are always on the pavement).

I know your wondering how can they have so many must be BS but they both have a works van, a private/personal car and the guy has a track/hobby car also so total of 4-5.

Rroff · 12 Mar 2020 at 15:03

b00merang69 said:
its peoples selfish attitudes today and entitlement

Yeah that is a big part of the problem - I know parking is a issue for a lot of people but there are far too many who don't give a **** about what anyone else has to deal with...

b00merang69 said:
I know your wondering how can they have so many must be BS but they both have a works van, a private/personal car and the guy has a track/hobby car also so total of 4-5.

Not wondering myself - I've seen it with my own eyes hah.

Nasher · 12 Mar 2020 at 15:04

SonicSW20 said:
They want to encourage public transit usage, but don't provide any decent public transit connections because LA's are a bunch of incompetent *****.

One jobsworth gets a pat on the back for reducing parking spaces to "encourage people to use public transport". Which in their head works somehow.

Meanwhile another one gets a pat on the back for reducing public transport costs by cutting routes and reducing bus frequency. People now have to wait half a day for a bus which might show up around the listed time.

This is why nothing works :/

Rroff · 12 Mar 2020 at 15:14

This one drives me up the wall it is a complete **** you to anyone else who has to use the road:

It is already stretch of road that due to narrowing causes issues, you can't see what is coming the other way before you commit to pulling out and traffic coming the other way can't see the obstacle before they are on top of it! (those of us who use the road approach with it in mind but someone who doesn't go through regularly has no idea) unfortunately I've only been through the other way at night recently which doesn't show it very well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqF0SOU28Cc

I've seen so many near misses including cyclists and pedestrians nearly getting mashed and I only go through there like twice a week. A few weeks back the X5 got mashed pretty bad at the back (hence the cone now there).

I sympathise that parking in the village is a huge issue but that is just plain idiotic and going to cause more accidents if not get someone injured or killed.

EDIT: On another note - getting so much value out of the enhanced wet grip tyres I put on my truck though the last few weeks!

SonicSW20 · 12 Mar 2020 at 15:20

He's driving a BMW he's allowed to park there.

Nasher · 12 Mar 2020 at 15:24

We have a local who insists on parking opposite a T junction. They have had at least 2 cars hit over night while there, they still do it.

paradigm · 12 Mar 2020 at 17:55

Psycho Sonny said:
They need to limit the number of cars per household to 2. Any more then they should pay additional tax per car. Simple as that.

Why would that make any sense? I’ve got room for 5 cars to park on my driveway (and currently have 3, I had 4 until two weeks ago). I can only drive one at once so what would the additional tax be for? It can’t be emissions based, it can’t be mileage based, it could only be arbitrary, but in which case why two cars and not anyone who has a caravan, or a huge 3.5t Van blocking a driveway big enough for two cars, etc.

ttaskmaster · 12 Mar 2020 at 18:13

paradigm said:
Why would that make any sense?

It'd only make sense if they were parked on the public highway. On private land, such as your driveway, you can do what the flip you like!

[TW]Fox · 12 Mar 2020 at 19:36

If you want to own multiple cars then make sure you have somewhere to park them. Doesn't seem particularly unreasonable.

Dis86 · 12 Mar 2020 at 20:00

[TW]Fox said:
If you want to own multiple cars then make sure you have somewhere to park them. Doesn't seem particularly unreasonable.

Not unreasonable at all. People don't care about inconveniencing others though. One of my major frustrations with my last house. Prime example was a family around the corner. Parents and 2 adult children. Dad had his car, a works van, a weekend toy and a motorbike. Mum had her car and a works van. Both kids had cars. Driveway had space for 2 and the bike went in the garage. Everything else was parked all over the place.

CaptainRAVE · 12 Mar 2020 at 20:03

The roads will all be blocked surely?

Rroff · 12 Mar 2020 at 20:12

Dis86 said:
Not unreasonable at all. People don't care about inconveniencing others though. One of my major frustrations with my last house. Prime example was a family around the corner. Parents and 2 adult children. Dad had his car, a works van, a weekend toy and a motorbike. Mum had her car and a works van. Both kids had cars. Driveway had space for 2 and the bike went in the garage. Everything else was parked all over the place.

The one that used to have me face palming - lots of residents where I used to live kicking off about parking constraints but everyone would come home and insist on parking nice and squarely outside their house and by the end of the evening you'd have a good extra 2-3 cars worth of poorly used space resulting in people parking both sides of the road so a fire engine couldn't get through or on the junctions, etc. etc.

Greebo · 12 Mar 2020 at 22:53

What gets me is that on a lot of streets where I live and you see people pavement parking they all have a perfectly good garage which they dont use cause they are lazy.

b00merang69 · 12 Mar 2020 at 22:54

^^ or full of junk.