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Bad time for a 1080 Ti to die... :(

LadFromWales

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So my 1080 Ti has started displaying very occasional artifacts, only seen them while running 3dmark fire strike and time spy so far, but began investigating when Forza Horizon 4 began to crash to desktop as soon as I get in game. I think this game has some form of cheat/hack checking which is probably why it crashes immediately upon loading into the game world.

GTA V Online works fine, played for hours last night no issue.

The card has been tested in another machine today, the issues remain :(

But...

I'm going to have to look at getting a new card, and it seems my choices are the 2070 Super or 2080 Super, the latter costing a good £200 more but bringing with it only a few extra FPS. 2080 Ti is out of my price range unless someone wants to let one go for £700 again as seen recently on the FST board ;)

The 2070 Super is definitely a sidegrade from the 1080 Ti, but is it really worth spending the extra to get a 2080 Super?

I am considering the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 3x or it's 2080 Super varient.

Please help me choose :D
I game at 1440p144 G-Sync
 
I would buy another used 1080Ti for ~£350 or buy some cheap crap to tide you over to the new gens coming later this year. Can you down clock your 1080Ti to see if the issues go away?

There is no way a 2070S is worth £500 right now! Whilst games do now favour the newer core design, like-for-like the 1080Ti is a more powerful card with more RAM.
 
I have a 1060 3GB somewhere but that's a fair drop down from what I'm used to.
Reducing the memory frequency by -100 (25MHz) stops artifacts being displayed in 3dmark.
I have tried reducing both core and memory as far as MSI AB allows, Forza Horizon 4 allows me to play for a few seconds longer but it still freezes and drops to desktop. I think this game is very sensitive to errors and detects them as tampering with the game or something.

I have ran the card with a custom curve for many months as the power delivery on the Zotac 10 series cards was terrible and it hits its power limit immediately and drops down to 1800MHz or so. I've had it running at 1950MHz 0.975v with +100MHz on the memory. Max temps I saw in game was mid 70s though loops of 3dmark would bring it close to the 84c throttle target. At 0.975v the card didn't need it's power target increased above standard.

Seems the 2070S was available for under £500 just a few months ago. So annoying. I was considering upgrading after the new series comes out, but my hand is now being forced :( I could stretch to a 2080S but the price jump is huge for what appears to be single digit increaes in FPS.
 
Try rolling back the driver. Try older ones.

If you didn't do so before up the voltage a little.

FWIW I paid £438 for my 2070 Super from here a while back. I also bought a Asus 2070 Dual EVO from elsewhere for £370. So I would try rolling with what you have for a while longer. The prices are just madness at the moment, so unless you have money to burn don't bother.
 
postmanfw said:
Guessing you are not the original owner....?

Zotac have a 5 year warranty if you register the card within 30 days of purchase.
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Nope I'm not, bought it on the FST board. Also as I've taken the stock fans off and cable tied 120mm fans to it they won't honour any warranty anyway! The stock fans were terrible! :-(
 
ALXAndy said:
Try rolling back the driver. Try older ones.

If you didn't do so before up the voltage a little.

FWIW I paid £438 for my 2070 Super from here a while back. I also bought a Asus 2070 Dual EVO from elsewhere for £370. So I would try rolling with what you have for a while longer. The prices are just madness at the moment, so unless you have money to burn don't bother.
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I tested it in another machine mate :-( it had older drivers, I was going to update it prior to testing but left it. Sad times.

Those prices you paid for a 2070 super seem like a bargain compared to current prices!
 
LadFromWales said:
I tested it in another machine mate :-( it had older drivers, I was going to update it prior to testing but left it. Sad times.

Those prices you paid for a 2070 super seem like a bargain compared to current prices!
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I would agree with others and downclock the card slightly (core and memory) or up the voltage a bit see if it makes any difference.

You could get a 2070S but it would be a pretty much identicle sidegrade. I’d just get another cheap 2nd hand Ti if it comes to it and wait for ampere.

An 80Super is faster but not by much. Only card worth it performance wise is the Ti but considering it’s age and price I’d wait and stick with what you have (if possible).
 
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2560*1440?

2070s and sell it before ampere cards are hard launched.

2080s is poor value. For me don't regret it but it's hard to recommend now. I'm at 3440*1440 which is 5MP so went for as much as I can short of 2080Ti stupid money.
 
I'll try putting the voltage to max (1.093 instead of 1.06 iirc) and I'll also reduce the core and memory clocks. I know for sure that if I don't reduce core clock with the voltage increase it'll just smash its power limit and probably end up throttling further (if it runs long enough!)
The card does whine a lot when put under load, I'm sure it's more than it used to so maybe it's something on the power delivery side failing rather than the memory.

I know the 2070S is pretty much a sidegrade and obviously would never normally switch to one from a 1080Ti...but if a 1080Ti comes up in the near future I'd go for that definitely! Not all that fussed for RTX yet besides Minecraft.

But knowing how much cheaper they were quite recently is so frustrating!

The oven you say??
 
Worst comes to the worst then run the 1060 3GB and run lowest settings possible, not worth getting anything this gen as the next one is so close and would offer a great more value for money.

Also try a more severe downclock of the card, a few hundred off the core and mem.
 
After a recent nvidia update, and FH4 update, FH4 was crashing to desktop for me too.

All other games ok, everything else ok.

My win10 build was quite old 4+ years so I decided to do a new install. All ok now.
 
tyler_jrb said:
I would agree with others and downclock the card slightly (core and memory) or up the voltage a bit see if it makes any difference.

You could get a 2070S but it would be a pretty much identicle sidegrade. I’d just get another cheap 2nd hand Ti if it comes to it and wait for ampere.

An 80Super is faster but not by much. Only card worth it performance wise is the Ti but considering it’s age and price I’d wait and stick with what you have (if possible).
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It's not an identical side grade. You're forgetting all of the new features. Performance in DX11? sure. But in DX12 my 2070s easily beats my Titan XP I had. Also, you don't get RTX or DLSS 2 with the XP.

That may not seem important now, but there are a couple of titles worth playing with RTX. However going into the future it'll be more important. Also, at 1440p (which the 2070 and 2070 super are for) you're talking 110+ FPS in most titles any way.

Plus if the 1080Ti is dying or dead then what other choice do you have?

I wouldn't bake it either. Core ball degradation usually shows differently to artefacts. It could be a memory issue, then you bake it and basically give it a two month life at best. You'll soon know if it's the BGA when the driver won't load and it goes into safe mode.
 
Does it crash if you underclock it a bit? drop 15-20% clocks on memory and GPU, maybe add voltage.

Survive until RDNA2 and Nvidia 3k
 
ALXAndy said:
It's not an identical side grade. You're forgetting all of the new features. Performance in DX11? sure. But in DX12 my 2070s easily beats my Titan XP I had. Also, you don't get RTX or DLSS 2 with the XP.

That may not seem important now, but there are a couple of titles worth playing with RTX. However going into the future it'll be more important. Also, at 1440p (which the 2070 and 2070 super are for) you're talking 110+ FPS in most titles any way.

Plus if the 1080Ti is dying or dead then what other choice do you have?

I wouldn't bake it either. Core ball degradation usually shows differently to artefacts. It could be a memory issue, then you bake it and basically give it a two month life at best. You'll soon know if it's the BGA when the driver won't load and it goes into safe mode.
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A 2070S is actually a downgrade as it is a few percentage points slower than a 1080ti. DLSS 2.0 is a good feature but there are only a couple of games that support this feature.

IF I had to buy a replacement I would just get a 5700 XT. You can get one for around £350, that is 90%+ of the perf of a 1080ti for a decent price and some warranty.
 
I'm not sure if baking it would help if its the memory thats failing. Would the memory failing cause 3dmark to crash mid run too? Though it will pass an entire run (20 loops) of Fire Strike and Time Spy with the core at 1822MHz 0.975v and stock memory. Only very small vertical blue lines show when running it like this, in Time Spy only, nothing I've seen in Fire Strike.

I tried highest voltage allowed, with lowest core and memory, Forza still crashes as soon as I get in game. I will DDU and try older drivers. I have already uninstalled and redownloaded the game just in case it somehow got corrupt, since I couldn't see a method to check file integrity like on Steam, For a long time I have noticed a very very occasional flash even when idling on the desktop, and always thought it was something to do with G-Sync being enabled. I also had graphical artifacts and flickering with other G-Sync compatible monitor models prior to getting this Dell S2719DGF. Maybe the card has been faulty all this time, since buying it from a member on this board, as I upgraded to a 1080 Ti for G-Sync compatible and got a new monitor at the same time. IIRC the previous owner mined with it but with a low power limit of 60%.

@ALXAndy The extra features would be nice and I'd have likely hit the buy button already if the cards hadn't jumped so much in price. The card I am looking at is selling for more than when it launched! I don't really want to try putting it in the oven, it could kill it entirely.

@Ezyryder I would consider AMD if I didn't use nVidia GameStream to play games in the living room on my Shield :( Tied to nVidia for that feature now!
 
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