NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Gerard · 9 Jul 2020 at 16:46

Stu999 said:
Nvidia's market cap now higher than Intel's: https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/nvidia-vs-intel-value/

Better keep those Ampere prices up to maintain shareholder value

Ironically, they probably have AMD to thank for that. Intel cpu sales declining and AMD surging.

oldbanana · 9 Jul 2020 at 16:50

People hoping AMD will save you, dont get your hopes up, look at the XT series they just released, what a joke that was. They are doing just what intel was doing.

Twinz · 9 Jul 2020 at 17:04

oldbanana said:
People hoping AMD will save you, dont get your hopes up, look at the XT series they just released, what a joke that was. They are doing just what intel was doing.

Intel doesn't drop prices on their old stuff. I just saw a 3800X for $299 yesterday. ($100 less than the price at release)

What they did with the 1600 AF was also a pleasant surprise. -Not something I have ever seen Intel do.

Jay85 · 9 Jul 2020 at 17:06

Kelt said:
*Some people.

They've lost a sale from me for the 2 series, and likely for the 3 series (like they're bovvered).

Will be looking at second hand, probably, or just carry on and see if sanity returns in a couple of years, though I doubt it.

Pandora's box, regarding pricing has been well and truly opened.

It won't and even if theirs competition who's to say they competitors won't join in on the money grabbing since its "accepted" now anyway?

The only reason why i jumped on a 2080 was because it came with a waterblock which i needed and it still retained its 4 years gigabyte extended warranty and a much much cheaper price than retail (About what you would have paid for a 2070), otherwise hell no i'd probs be rocking a 5700xt now lol.

Gerard · 9 Jul 2020 at 17:16

oldbanana said:
People hoping AMD will save you, dont get your hopes up, look at the XT series they just released, what a joke that was. They are doing just what intel was doing.

People knew what the xt series was around a month before they launched, it was no surprise. Not like they're forcing anyone to buy them.

markoboyo11 · 9 Jul 2020 at 17:41

No way that videocardz chart is true.
If the 3070 = 1080ti minus £100 3 years later it's a ps5 for me.
2000 series has seen people lose their minds around price vs performance.

oldbanana · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:13

They are not forcing anyone but, why bother releasing pointless products, few percent gain on parts that cost 20% or more over the old ones ?

Poneros · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:20

The sad thing is, if you look at the context of AMD's GPUs as well, it's so pathetic how little they are selling. With the current selection they'd basically have an answer for the 3060 (vs 5700 XT) and that's it. Then there's the Big Navi which based on the only leak we have would put it slightly above a 3080. Otherwise it looks like...

Basically if you want an AMD GPU you better like consoles.

opethdisciple · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:25

oldbanana said:
They are not forcing anyone but, why bother releasing pointless products, few percent gain on parts that cost 20% or more over the old ones ?

Think back to Intel prior to Ryzen.

Satchfanuk · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:26

oldbanana said:
They are not forcing anyone but, why bother releasing pointless products, few percent gain on parts that cost 20% or more over the old ones ?

They aren't 20% more than the old ones, the old ones are up to 20% cheaper.

AMD replaced the old chips with the XTs at the same MSRP as the original CPU versions, they didn't hike the prices like some people would have you believe.

FoxEye · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:33

Kelt said:
Pandora's box, regarding pricing has been well and truly opened.

This, for me, is the crux of the matter.

Some people say Turing was an anomaly and it's not usual for nV to push prices up each gen. And they may well be correct.

But the genie now is out of the bottle. Various indicators, like people paying thousands on in-game purchases, and the simple fact that people keeping buying nV cards at almost any price - these things have shown nV that the sky really is the limit.

They could double today's prices and people would still buy. So... why wouldn't they?

I bet tons here would buy a 3080Ti for £2000.

That's the problem. We, as consumers, have shown no restraint. Companies are reacting to this by simply hiking prices. Until we do show some restraint (if we ever do), this may well keep repeating.

opethdisciple said:
Think back to Intel prior to Ryzen.

On the flip side, people held on to their 2500k for 6+ years.

So yes you can slow progress to a crawl but you'll sell less as a result.

Although for some reason, people tend to lose their minds over GPUs, and seem to need to buy a new one every year like they do with phones

Satchfanuk · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:37

Poneros said:
The sad thing is, if you look at the context of AMD's GPUs as well, it's so pathetic how little they are selling. With the current selection they'd basically have an answer for the 3060 (vs 5700 XT) and that's it. Then there's the Big Navi which based on the only leak we have would put it slightly above a 3080. Otherwise it looks like...

Basically if you want an AMD GPU you better like consoles.

Do you honestly think Nvidia would have changed the chip destined for the 3080/ti from a GA103 to a GA102 and pushed TDP to around 350W if AMD had nothing even remotely close to competitive performance?

AMD are silent on what RDNA2 has in performance, unlike past PR disasters. Until the launch we won't know for sure but if an 80 CU chip is true, that has the potential to be at least twice as fast as a 5700XT, a card which is only around 35-40% behind a 2080ti.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:43

Satchfanuk said:
Do you honestly think Nvidia would have changed the chip destined for the 3080/ti from a GA103 to a GA102 and pushed TDP to around 350W if AMD had nothing even remotely close to competitive performance?

I honestly think that all those things are a bunch of rumours, shaky in themselves and certainly not reliable as a basis to make assumptions about a competitor product.

KillBoY_UK · 9 Jul 2020 at 18:50

Satchfanuk said:
Do you honestly think Nvidia would have changed the chip destined for the 3080/ti from a GA103 to a GA102 and pushed TDP to around 350W if AMD had nothing even remotely close to competitive performance?

AMD are silent on what RDNA2 has in performance, unlike past PR disasters. Until the launch we won't know for sure but if an 80 CU chip is true, that has the potential to be at least twice as fast as a 5700XT, a card which is only around 35-40% behind a 2080ti.

AMD was happy to tout ryzens performance gains before release, given that they have talked about performance per watt gains so far and so close to release I think people are setting them up for Vega levels of disappointment

Blackjack Davy · 9 Jul 2020 at 20:13

opethdisciple said:
Think back to Intel prior to Ryzen.

Intel dropped the ball a good while ago and still havn't figured out why their pants appeared to have been pulled down, Nvidia on the other hand havn't taken their eye off the ball so far, give it a few years and some fat pensions and probably fatter waistlines later things may change but not yet.

scubes · 9 Jul 2020 at 20:27

Nvidia is the new top sausage lol.

McGraw · 9 Jul 2020 at 20:45

bru said:
Have you looked at the prices of the currant 2060 super's?

They keep raisin.

BigBANGtheory · 9 Jul 2020 at 21:04

Tommy_Here said:
I've got a big list of games to play on steam and since I came at 4k I need a beefy GPU...

DayZ should be on your list, its stunning in 4k

BigBANGtheory · 9 Jul 2020 at 21:11

Satchfanuk said:
Do you honestly think Nvidia would have changed the chip destined for the 3080/ti from a GA103 to a GA102 and pushed TDP to around 350W if AMD had nothing even remotely close to competitive performance?

AMD are silent on what RDNA2 has in performance, unlike past PR disasters. Until the launch we won't know for sure but if an 80 CU chip is true, that has the potential to be at least twice as fast as a 5700XT, a card which is only around 35-40% behind a 2080ti.

Yes exactly Nvidia has seen the danger, probably the Sony conference was the wake up call with Navi architecture pushing 2.2Ghz

Poneros · 9 Jul 2020 at 21:22

Satchfanuk said:
Do you honestly think Nvidia would have changed the chip destined for the 3080/ti from a GA103 to a GA102 and pushed TDP to around 350W if AMD had nothing even remotely close to competitive performance?

AMD are silent on what RDNA2 has in performance, unlike past PR disasters. Until the launch we won't know for sure but if an 80 CU chip is true, that has the potential to be at least twice as fast as a 5700XT, a card which is only around 35-40% behind a 2080ti.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the overall stack (i.e all models). Big Navi could very well compete with a 3080 Ti but that's one card. What about all the rest? Nvidia's blanketing every cent & decimal of performance with its own model. For AMD you're gonna have 5700 XT & a bunch of nothing competing against 2060 Super, 2070, 2070 Super, 2080, 2080 Super, 3060, 3060 Ti, 3070, 3070 Ti, 3080 up until we reach Big Navi, which will compete with either 3080 or 3080 Ti.

Do you not see a problem with having no GPUs for anywhere between £300-400 and what's likely to be £700-800? I understand they'll both bring out the lower-end GPUs later (and we'll see if it takes AMD an extra year to do so compared to Nvidia again), but in the meantime Nvidia still has a full fat stack of a thousand different models and AMD has nothing.