NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[EastCoastHandle]

To expand when I say "as long as ther performance is there" I mean if the performance of the 3080Ti is around 25% or higher than that of the 2080 Ti I will buy one.

@five8five
Did you read what he said? He's willing to pay over a grand for at least 25% more performance (yes more is welcome but at this point its icing on the cake). Does that answer your question .

As for me, and I can only assume many others, would want to see far, far more then just 25%. But I do wonder if you find 25% at bare minimum acceptable for that price point?

 

[Joxeon]

25% is pretty poor considering we were getting 80% for around half that price a few years back but then people will pay it so why would nvidia do more. It probably saves them a fortune in R&D too.

 

[opethdisciple]

25% is pretty poor considering we were getting 80% for around half that price a few years back but then people will pay it so why would nvidia do more. It probably saves them a fortune in R&D too.

This isn't an Nvidia problem per se tho. This is an effect of the market not putting pressure on Nvidia to give more to the customer for the money they pay through competing products in the market.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

This isn't an Nvidia problem per se tho. This is an effect of the market not putting pressure on Nvidia to give more to the customer for the money they pay through competing products in the market.

Who's making you buy it though?
If there is no competition then you as the consumer share the blame with nvidia. Not the lack of competition in a duopoly.

This market is comprised of...consumers that has buying power. And with it can dictate market trends in consumer goods based on what they decide to buy or not buy from it. Therefore, if anything, the real pressure comes from the consumer.

As a consumer with the power to dictate market trends cannot, competently, defer that authority to a duopoly that refuses to compete. That burden falls back on the consumer. Or did you forget that currently there are only 2 companies to choose from when looking for a decently spec'd gpu for 1440p gaming?

 

[DarrenM343]

25% is pretty poor considering we were getting 80% for around half that price a few years back but then people will pay it so why would nvidia do more. It probably saves them a fortune in R&D too.

Is anyone expecting 25%, or Ampere to be a poor offering ?
I'm sure recently NV have said Ampere is going to take a huge leap forward, largest jump in performance in recent times, or something along those lines. So, I'm assuming that's the case unless I see concrete evidence to the contrary. However, at what price point, who knows .
50%+ and at least double the RT performance would be nice, like for like, with an extreme top end GPU offering even more

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Is anyone expecting 25%, or Ampere to be a poor offering

Too Tall said he would buy a 3080ti if the performance was at least 25% from 2080ti.

 

[Too Tall]

Too Tall said he would buy a 3080ti if the performance was at least 25% from 2080ti.

I'd struggle to justify it if i did not have the money from my 2080ti sale to put toward it.

It's a bit of a guessing game at the moment though as no one knows how much they will cost.

I'd guess between £1050-£1200.

 

[EsaT]

Two things, Nvidia's next gen GPUs seem to be coming on Samsung's 8nm node which is really an improved 10nm mode and is pretty mature process at this stage.
Even if they were using TSMC's 7nm, it's a very mature process now. It has been out for nearly 18 months at this stage.

And still Nvidia ended up buying lots of 7nm production capacity from TSMC.
And 18 months isn't long time for process to mature for huge high performance parts.
Pushing too big chip size on not mature enough node has caused hiccups for both GPU makers...
With that big usually meaning around 500 mm2.
Special uses where you can charge thousands is lot more forgiving than consumer market, where yields matter lot.

This market is comprised of...consumers that has buying power.

Why not to be realist and just replace word consumer with sheeple?

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I'd struggle to justify it if i did not have the money from my 2080ti sale to put toward it.

It's a bit of a guessing game at the moment though as no one knows how much they will cost.

I'd guess between £1050-£1200.

This method of buying is quite common though. So, it still doesn't justify such little performance gains.

Furthermore I would find it very suspect of anyone willing to buy 2080 TI that is close to the price of a 3080 TI with such a little disparity in performance. With the high difference in vram between the 2000 and 3000 series if the rumors are true.

If you want to sell your 2080ti I would suggest you do it now. Because the only true saving grace for this 3000 series would be the rumored higher vram if its true (if 25% is true).

From what I'm hearing there will be a significant bump in vram across the board for both AMD and nvidia GPU skus. We will see if that's true. Imo, a neccessary requirement for these open world games.

Why not to be realist and just replace word consumer with sheeple?

Well, nvidia implied that themselves if you read between the lines.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...-not-just-a-gaming-company-anymore-2020-05-21
They aren't just a gaming company really says it all.

Trouble is few are able to make the connection being implicated. If anything they don't need you buying their gpus for gaming anymore like they use to. And, gaming is no longer the priority.

Therefore, what you are saying mirrors what Nvidia is implying in that statement.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Yeah get that 2080 Ti sold now, as you'll be lucky to get £300 for it when these come out.

 

[deuse]

Yeah get that 2080 Ti sold now, as you'll be lucky to get £300 for it when these come out.

That's what NV want people to do.
The new cards could be crap or just 15% faster.

 

[C64]

I cant see it changing prices much bet a 5700xt is still £300 in 6 months let alone a 2080ti
the new cards will be positioned carefully they are not about to compete with their own hardware

 

[pete910]

Lol. Humbug comes to mind every time

Still? Good Grief...

Oh come on @humbug , It was epic !!!

 

[pete910]

Haha. I will never forget it. It was that good

Me either

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I cant see it changing prices much bet a 5700xt is still £300 in 6 months let a lone a 2080ti
the new cards will be positions carefully they are not about to compete with their own hardware

Be lucky to get 3p for a 5700 XT then, if the much faster 2080 Ti can be had for £300 or less

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I cant see it changing prices much bet a 5700xt is still £300 in 6 months let a lone a 2080ti
the new cards will be positions carefully they are not about to compete with their own hardware

I'm afraid that the navi10 die will be replaced by 2021. The reason for the lower price would be do to the lower cost to produce.


And to further add Nvidia isnt the gaming company you once thought of them as. Just consider them just "for profit" and everything will make sense. Remember, buy 2 and save!!!

 

[C64]

lol at 3p for a 5700xt it even rhymes

 

[CuriousTomCat]

That's not what he is saying. He is saying that if Nvidia bring out a chip on a new node that's as large as the 2080ti is now, that it will take the performance crown unless Ampere sucks.

and if the new node is smaller than the 2080ti is now?

 

[TNA]

Me either

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Is anyone expecting 25%, or Ampere to be a poor offering ?

I'm expecting closer to 40% and it will be expensive. Everybody will moan about the prices like they usually do yet they'll buy one anyway, just like they usually do. Nvidia's market share will grow just like it usually does. Business as usual with a new Nvidia release.