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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Grim5 said:
They can only do it until such time that sales numbers no longer reflect consumer acceptance. i.e according to Mind Factory most GPU purchased are now in the $450 to $550 bracket, where as a few years ago it was the $200 to $350 bracket. Nvidia may not know if it's hit the ceiling yet, perhaps they can get those $550 GPU buyers to pay $650? They won't know until they try and if it fails, pricing reverts back to the last maintenance level where consumer price was in equilibrium.
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How do you know those mindfactory sales figures are actually big relative to what Nvidia used to sell? For all we know they may have hit the limit and the large sales of the $450-550 bracket are lost high end sales.
 
McGraw said:
Nonsense...I see. When low end GPUs are expensive and destroyed by consoles, that doesn’t harm pc gaming?

If the 3070 is a big chunk more expensive than the 2070 was at launch then we get further and further away from a level playing field.

if things keep moving the same direction that 20 series took us then we’ll have £1k gpus that are at the low end of the gaming tier.
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There is no evidence to support this considering how competitive 5700 XT is and how aggressive pricing has being at that range.
 
Grim5 said:
About a week ago there was a rumour that Ampere cards (he high end ones) will use a 12 pin Power cable - then a couple days later it was somehow labeled as fake.

But it's just been confirmed by Steve at Gamers Nexus that it's 100% real, he's confirmed it with AIBs and with companies that make power cables.

Also confirmed is that not all High end cards will use it - only the OEM Nvidia cards will use a single cable 12 pin for power, AIB cards can use it too but Steve says most said they continuing to use dual 8 pins instead.
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I know, I mentioned it and yer man on here got green eyes.
 
Yes it will be powerful if than console but the price has to be right still saying well over a grand for the ti version no thank you .
 
EastCoastHandle said:


Hmm, interesting rumor...
So Cyberpunk 2077 will heavily use TAA. And most games Nvidia partner up with may specifically be using TAA for their DLSS 3.0 implimentation.
And it's rumored that DLSS 3.0 will be on by default in the drivers. Sneaky... I wonder if they will back port this for Turing users?
NvCache will compete with HBCC but AMD is also working on something new as well. No announcement yet.

Hmm, using tensor cores for compression/decompression. Now that's neat. And I'm sure it will come in handy for RT applications.
And the fabled driver GUI overhaul is coming as well. Is that for Ampere or all Nvidia GPUs?
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Where did you find this?
 
Has this been posted yet? Nvidia got arrogant with TSMC and now they are paying for it with a lesser Samsung node.

 
McGraw said:
Nonsense...I see. When low end GPUs are expensive and destroyed by consoles, that doesn’t harm pc gaming?

If the 3070 is a big chunk more expensive than the 2070 was at launch then we get further and further away from a level playing field.

if things keep moving the same direction that 20 series took us then we’ll have £1k gpus that are at the low end of the gaming tier.
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Consoles will continue to steal market share from PC due to this IMO. PC gaming is becoming much more of a nerdy, middle aged man hobby, as opposed to the kids/teenage target audience that used to be the norm.

The prices charged by NV put even the mid range cards out of reach of the youngsters, it's typically 30-40+ males with high disposable income that are the target audience for the mid-high end cards.

Nvidia having the fanbase they have, that continually throw money at them (even at the times where AMD have been superior) are a big factor that plays into this.
 
humbug said:
Has this been posted yet? Nvidia got arrogant with TSMC and now they are paying for it with a lesser Samsung node.

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Doesn't matter what process they use. Nv will deploy their influencer army, to spread the word that AMD's new cards overheat and burn down your house, crash your PC every 10 minutes. They'll outsell AMD no matter their performance.
 
Dave2150 said:
Doesn't matter what process they use. Nv will deploy their influencer army, to spread the word that AMD's new cards overheat and burn down your house, crash your PC every 10 minutes. They'll outsell AMD no matter their performance.
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Oh for sure you're right, But I'm changing my mind on this, i just don't think this is going to work anymore.

For the same reason Intel's similar marketing doesn't work anymore.

humbug said:
The problem with Intel is they want people to think they are the premium brand.

Intel never lower prices, if they are not selling what they do instead rebrand products and re-release them at a lower price pretending it's a new product.

Streamering is a very big thing at the moment, apparently, and streamers love the Ryzen 3900X, that's what they tell their audience and in turn the whole mindshare around the Ryzen brand is glowing with a new generation of PC gamers, Intel know this and the 10900K just doesn't cut it for these streamers, A its not as good as the 3900X for streaming and B its too expensive, so the rumours are Intel are releasing a new 10 core CPU, its exactly the same as the 10900K but cheaper and it will be called the 10850K or some crap like that, they think that way they can better compete with AMD while keeping the more expensive CPU's which they think portrays them as the premium brand.

In fact those streamers just think Intel are uncool snobs whose CPU aren't as good as Ryzen.

Forget about the past, AMD are targeting a new generation and for as much as we the old guard criticize their marketing they are hugely successful, Ryzen are cool. Even the name "Ryzen" and the packaging is cool. "Core i" in stuffy blue boxes.... WTF is that ####?
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There is a new generation and AMD are targeting them quite successfully, AMD are becoming the cool brand..... they are about to go on a mindshare marketing campaign.

We make all the consoles, we make those cool new Laptop's that you young people are hot for right now, we make those cool Ryzen CPU's that all your favourite streamers use, Superman has Ryzen and now we are adding these cool Radeon GPU's to a family of cool stuff, BTW they are also in the new mega fast consoles.

The kids don't watch Steve Burk, they don't even know who he is... they listen to their Twitch Streamers.
 
The NV die-hards are entering apple fanboy territory. "Price and performance be damned, gimme the new NVIDIA card so i can bow at the Shrine of Leather Jacket Man."
 
Gerard said:
The NV die-hards are entering apple fanboy territory. "Price and performance be damned, gimme the new NVIDIA card so i can bow at the Shrine of Leather Jacket Man."
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Time and time again that model has proven to work in consumer electronics. The only way people will stop buying is to just produce rubbish products. As long as your products are good, price to performance doesn't matter to most people. They'll swipe the credit cards and pay up.
 
Gerard said:
The NV die-hards are entering apple fanboy territory. "Price and performance be damned, gimme the new NVIDIA card so i can bow at the Shrine of Leather Jacket Man."
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Almost as bad as the AMD fanboys who have three jokes - price, leather jackets and the more you buy the more you save. They rarely mention absolute performance for some reason.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
The same MLID rumour video every man and his dog have been quoting as a source "news" heck even OC3D have make 3 articles off the back of rumours treating it as fact
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Yes, it’s quite amusing that MLID video saying something like “three other sources say the same thing” implying that it must be true. That video made me determined not to watch any more of those vids or listen to rumours until the cards are actually out.
 
HACO said:
Time and time again that model has proven to work in consumer electronics. The only way people will stop buying is to just produce rubbish products. As long as your products are good, price to performance doesn't matter to most people. They'll swipe the credit cards and pay up.
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how is a graphics card good if it has poor price to performance?

they are like boilers...sit in a cupboard and produces frames as well as heat.
 
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