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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Jacky60 said:
A 2080TI struggles at 4K 60 in a lot of games if you want a decent level of MSAA all ultra etc, it's simply not quite fast enough. The situation will only get worse with newer AAA games.
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Yep, I'd be pretty annoyed spending a lot on a high end card and still getting lows of 30/40FPS in demanding games tbh.

1440p mostly gives high enough FPS for nice motion smoothness for those spoiled by high hz screens, I'll consider 4K when high end cards can run it better
maybe when Hopper and the other stuff comes, not this upcoming gen but the next :)

For now a 3070 or 3080 should do nicely at 1440p. Hope there's a nice increase in RT performance, really looking forward to seeing videos and new info, same for Zen 3 too
 
danlightbulb said:
The only time it seems to pay off is when you come back to an older game several years down the line, and can run it all on max settings no problem. However, image/texture quality always moves on, so a newer game on medium settings tends to still look better than an older game on max.
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That was once very true, but now much less so. Fully modded Skyrim and Witcher 3 look much better than many open world games of 2019/2020. When it comes to PC gaming, mods do often keep older titles looking fresh.
 
TNA said:
Yea, I am happy to wait until November now as Cyberpunk got delayed. That said if they price the RTX 3070 well from day one, I may buy it to play Flight Simulator 2020. If not then will wait.

Also we will have custom cooled cards by November hopefully, so I could go for a Zotac which has 5 years warranty and usually have good coolers. Will see, though i must admit I may not be able to resist getting one from day one as I have been waiting a long time as I skipped the 2000 series and do fancy something new :D
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FS2020 is one of my reasons for upgrading and resisting buying Ampere on day one might be struggle but I'm sure Jensen will price the cards high enough to give me pause for thought! If he doesn't I'll take that as sign AMD have a compelling offer that Nvidia have got wind of and it'll probably reinforce my resolve.... as long as I can keep my hands out of my pockets!
 
danlightbulb said:
I don't really get the relationship between game image quality and GPUs. The 2080ti is the top consumer gaming GPU, so what's the point in any current gen game using image quality settings that are too much for that GPU to handle? Its a waste of development time making settings and textures for max IQ if no GPU can run it.

It feels backwards, that game development would be pushing the GPU manufacturers forward - should really be the other way around as hardware clearly is the ultimate limiting factor. It is common sense that all current games max settings would be those aligned to the performance of the 2080ti and no higher.

The only time it seems to pay off is when you come back to an older game several years down the line, and can run it all on max settings no problem. However, image/texture quality always moves on, so a newer game on medium settings tends to still look better than an older game on max.
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I sort of agree but then we'd almost certainly have stagnation in how games look. If I was a studio/developer I'd want as much visual fidelity as possible in my games as pretty graphics sell. In reality I don't tend to go back and play older games for the reasons you mention as even when maxed they tend to look dated compared to the most recent offerings. I'm saving AC:Odyssey for a revisit but suspect I'll never spend a significant amount of time with it although I have spent less than 5 hours on 95% of my games so that wouldn't be unusual. Seems I have a game buying rather than playing habit that I need to address :D
 
Dave2150 said:
Have you actually played 4k60? I can tell you that MSAA is not nearly as important when you get to 4K as it is for 1080 or 1440.

It's a personal choice, though I far prefer the extra detail/sharpness I get at 4k. 4k with no AA looks far superior to 1440P with 4xaa.
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Look at my sig, of course I have and on a 40" monitor for the last 4+ years and games like GTA5 for example look really good but they look even better with 4X MSAA and better still with 8x MSAA (which I can't run at decent fps with 1080ti SLI). Yes MSAA at 4K is not nearly as important on a 27" monitor (I owned a Samsung 27" 4K) BUT when you get to bigger screen sizes that genuinely immerse you in a game there are jaggies/crawlies that are far more discernible to the point where it genuinely makes it less enjoyable with no MSAA. I've been pretty obsessed with image quality since my Voodoo 2 12MB SLI days and I can't accept 'putting up' with jaggies/crawlies I'd rather not play the game. It's similar to not having a fat girlfriend, call me shallow but I've never had one and I'm simply never going to.
 
DougF1 said:
Supers will exist simply as nvidia didnt get life all their own way for once and TSMC wouldnt budge.
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That was not the case with Turing, and Ampere Supers would very likely have existed anyway even if they hadn't of screwed up with TSMC.
 
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Jacky60 said:
Look at my sig, of course I have and on a 40" monitor for the last 4+ years and games like GTA5 for example look really good but they look even better with 4X MSAA and better still with 8x MSAA (which I can't run at decent fps with 1080ti SLI). Yes MSAA at 4K is not nearly as important on a 27" monitor (I owned a Samsung 27" 4K) BUT when you get to bigger screen sizes that genuinely immerse you in a game there are jaggies/crawlies that are far more discernible to the point where it genuinely makes it less enjoyable with no MSAA. I've been pretty obsessed with image quality since my Voodoo 2 12MB SLI days and I can't accept 'putting up' with jaggies/crawlies I'd rather not play the game. It's similar to not having a fat girlfriend, call me shallow but I've never had one and I'm simply never going to.
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Haven't tried GTA5 at 4K yet, will give it a spin later on (83GB download now?!). As it's a very old game perhaps that's why it benefits from higher AA, if the base textures are low etc.
 
danlightbulb said:
I don't really get the relationship between game image quality and GPUs. The 2080ti is the top consumer gaming GPU, so what's the point in any current gen game using image quality settings that are too much for that GPU to handle? Its a waste of development time making settings and textures for max IQ if no GPU can run it.

It feels backwards, that game development would be pushing the GPU manufacturers forward - should really be the other way around as hardware clearly is the ultimate limiting factor. It is common sense that all current games max settings would be those aligned to the performance of the 2080ti and no higher.

The only time it seems to pay off is when you come back to an older game several years down the line, and can run it all on max settings no problem. However, image/texture quality always moves on, so a newer game on medium settings tends to still look better than an older game on max.
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In the past, games often came with settings that nobody could use at release. It allows games to still remain relevant in the future when better cards get released.

Some 10 year old games still get sold. It pays the developers to add these extra settings to future proof their games.

Not all settings are meant to be used at release.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
21 years ago today nvidia launched their first gpu, 21 days from now ampere will land.
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i just saw that on their twitter feed at the top and wondered why 21days 21 years, if its true then that would be awsome if ampere land on the 1st sepember :)

nvidia launced their first gpu 21 yeasr ago the nvidia geforce 256 on the 31st of august 1999 which conveniently will be in 21 days time :)
 
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wookiee87 said:
i just saw that on their twitter feed at the top and wondered why 21days 21 years, if its true then that would be awsome if ampere land on the 1st sepember :)

nvidia launced their first gpu 21 yeasr ago the nvidia geforce 256 on the 31st of august 1999 which conveniently will be in 21 days time :)
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Ah didn't see that at first, at least we have a date then. That's bank holiday Monday.
 
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