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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

kazuya1337 said:
I don't.

£2000 for a 3080Ti when AMD most likely have a very competitive card and their flagship I doubt will be over £1200
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Who said £2,000 for a 3080 Ti? The 2080 Ti has been available in one form or another for a base price £1,000 since launch. A 25% price increase would be £1,250 (again, base price).

Two additional points: (1) AMD will not be competitive with the 3080 Ti / 3090 but will instead compete with the 3080 non-Ti. People looking at the 3080 Ti / 3090 are interested in having the best. (2) Nvidia have just demonstrated via the 2000 series that they are able to set the price point in the market for their products and get away with a substantial increase (not to mention previous generations). To ignore their ability to set the price, whether we like it or not, is a mistake.

And remember, in Nvidia's eyes RTX is a 'new, additional' technology which is an added layer to what their GPUs already do in terms of traditional performance. They have a reason (in their eyes at least) to increase the price for the 'extra' technology that you are getting. Think of it another way - they are selling you a new GPU with extra performance as you would expect from a new generation, but also bundling in a dedicated RTX card (ala the old Phyx card), and that RTX card only costs a small fraction extra of what you were paying for the GPU anyway. This is the way Nvidia are approaching pricing (IMO).
 
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I think the 'smart' thing to do is going to be to wait until AMD launch. If they have anything competitive we'll know because nvidia will either launch some new variants or drop their prices about a day before.
 
SirPsychoZe0 said:
Two additional points: (1) AMD will not be competitive with the 3080 Ti / 3090 but will instead compete with the 3080 non-Ti. People looking at the 3080 Ti / 3090 are interested in having the best.
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If this were the case, people with 2080Ti's would have bought Titan's instead.

Price matters.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
I think the 'smart' thing to do is going to be to wait until AMD launch. If they have anything competitive we'll know because nvidia will either launch some new variants or drop their prices about a day before.
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If Nvidia offers Pascal-level price/performance progress this time, I might have a hard time holding off.

If they pull another Turing, I can easily wait.
 
Seearbe said:
1 is the international number for USA (and a couple of other countries)
570 is the area code for Pennsylvania
234-0003 is the number being dialled

I think it's just the number modems used to dial. There's absolutely nothing in the number.
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Definitely someone not old enough to have used a dial up modem :D

When you ring the number it rings twice then goes engaged.

Somebody with a dial up modem needs to ring the number !!!! :)
 
SirPsychoZe0 said:
Who said £2,000 for a 3080 Ti? The 2080 Ti has been available in one form or another for a base price £1,000 since launch. A 25% price increase would be £1,250 (again, base price).

Two additional points: (1) AMD will not be competitive with the 3080 Ti / 3090 but will instead compete with the 3080 non-Ti. People looking at the 3080 Ti / 3090 are interested in having the best. (2) Nvidia have just demonstrated via the 2000 series that they are able to set the price point in the market for their products and get away with a substantial increase (not to mention previous generations). To ignore their ability to set the price, whether we like it or not, is a mistake.

And remember, in Nvidia's eyes RTX is a 'new, additional' technology which is an added layer to what their GPUs already do in terms of traditional performance. They have a reason (in their eyes at least) to increase the price for the 'extra' technology that you are getting. Think of it another way - they are selling you a new GPU with extra performance as you would expect from a new generation, but also bundling in a dedicated RTX card (ala the old Phyx card), and that RTX card only costs a small fraction extra of what you were paying for the GPU anyway. This is the way Nvidia are approaching pricing (IMO).
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Nvidia's own selling point is £1,149.00 for a 2080Ti so a price increase from them of 25% would be a basic non AIB card would be £1426.25. 2080Ti with a decent AIB cooler is around £1400-£1500 and a 25% increase on that even if the AIB partners didn't whack on their premium tax would be £1687.25 - £1787.25 but if were being realistic you would be looking at £2000+ for high end AIB card with tax and £2500 for anything from ASUS
 
bakes0310 said:
Speculative information at the moment but what are the chances a 3060 card being better than my 1080 card?
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If it’s not, something has gone very badly wrong.

Pre Turing, a 60 series should be up there with the 80 series of the previous gen.

I’d want a sub £400 2080 equivalent otherwise what progress are we making?
 
danlightbulb said:
Its no good ringing it, someone needs to use a dial up modem on it. Just browsing twitter and seems no one has tried this. Probably nothing there anyway.
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Well it was worth ringing just to see what happened.

I agree thats probably why they did it to see if anyone still has one. I bet it creates some kind of ascii screen with a message saying "Coming Soon" or some such rubbish.
 
Wondering what sort of performance increase the 3070 will have over the 1070. Remember paying about £400 for my 1070 on launch week. Suspect the 3070 will be considerably more money :( nvidia's pricing is just out of control these days.
 
varkanoid said:
Well it was worth ringing just to see what happened.

I agree thats probably why they did it to see if anyone still has one. I bet it creates some kind of ascii screen with a message saying "Coming Soon" or some such rubbish.
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Yeah for sure, that was my first thought too then reading twitter I was then left thinking why no-one has tried using a modem on it. If there was a message there, at least its a bit of fun and shows Nvidia are making an effort.
 
Twinz said:
If Nvidia offers Pascal-level price/performance progress this time, I might have a hard time holding off.

If they pull another Turing, I can easily wait.
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it should be better this time. I still think pricing will be higher than some will like though, but the cards will probably be untouchable all things considered (including RT performance & ability). Will be interesting to see what AMD bring to the party - I don't think they can get away with being a little competitive, albeit still behind, in non-RT performance now. Last two years people been happy to pay less and ignore RT but AMD's top end GPU's going to need it I think. Not been following things recently so no idea where the rumours are regarding AMD's next GPU offerings.

Haven't touched a game in months now so likely not going to be an earlier buyer of anything this time.
 
DarrenM343 said:
it should be better this time. I still think pricing will be higher than some will like though, but the cards will probably be untouchable all things considered (including RT performance & ability). Will be interesting to see what AMD bring to the party - I don't think they can get away with being a little competitive, albeit still behind, in non-RT performance now. Last two years people been happy to pay less and ignore RT but AMD's top end GPU's going to need it I think. Not been following things recently so no idea where the rumours are regarding AMD's next GPU offerings.

Haven't touched a game in months now so likely not going to be an earlier buyer of anything this time.
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I remember us having some chats about the 2000 series cards, hindsight it was well worth waiting for the 3000 series for me. Now I will have RT that does not severely tank fps ;):p
 
DarrenM343 said:
it should be better this time. I still think pricing will be higher than some will like though, but the cards will probably be untouchable all things considered (including RT performance & ability). Will be interesting to see what AMD bring to the party - I don't think they can get away with being a little competitive, albeit still behind, in non-RT performance now. Last two years people been happy to pay less and ignore RT but AMD's top end GPU's going to need it I think. Not been following things recently so no idea where the rumours are regarding AMD's next GPU offerings.

Haven't touched a game in months now so likely not going to be an earlier buyer of anything this time.
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I have a hard time imagining better-than-Pascal price/performance progress where I don't like the pricing.

Maybe you meant better than Pascal performance.

For instance, Pascal's $380 GPU was 10% faster than Maxwell's $650 GPU.
 
TNA said:
I remember us having some chats about the 2000 series cards, hindsight it was well worth waiting for the 3000 series for me. Now I will have RT that does not severely tank fps ;):p
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Likewise, I'm still happy I bought one :). I've enjoyed playing around with RT with a 20 series card. I'm still also glad I went with just the 2080 rather than 2080 Ti which is not something I've done for a few generations, usually getting the top end Titan. Not bought some more recent RT games, just lack of time atm


Twinz said:
I have a hard time imagining better-than-Pascal price/performance progress where I don't like the pricing.

Maybe you meant better than Pascal performance.

For instance, Pascal's $380 GPU was 10% faster than Maxwell's $650 GPU.
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Sorry, yes, I meant better than Turing for performance per £. NV seem to be top of their game. While RT is no longer new tech, unless AMD can get near them they're still going to price GPU's high but Ampere should be better performance per £ than last gen. Smaller node should allow a nice jump in general performance and 2nd gen RT should hopefully see a giant leap.
 
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