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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

So anyone leaning towards any 3000 series card in particular or just awaiting pricing to decide?
well I need to do something in the coming months, the 980Ti is reaching its limits with 4k

If Nvidia price the 3080 sensibly (2080 was overpriced for the benefit of doubt) and it has the performance that could be an option but I do feel AMD can do something this year an 80 CU part if true could quite easily beat a 3080 imho so I want to see what the options are. I fancy a Zen3 system so I don't feel the need to rush in and pre-order.
 
So anyone leaning towards any 3000 series card in particular or just awaiting pricing to decide?
no I will get RTX 580ti IN 2 years time lol have you looked at the prices for a RTX 2080ti lol adv price+ shiping £1400 nuts there worth no more than £700 + we got better cards coming in 4 weeks so if a RTX2080ti is that price now then next cards will be £2000 hehe
 
So anyone leaning towards any 3000 series card in particular or just awaiting pricing to decide?

I want to spend around £400, but definitely no more than £500. I can already get double my current RX480 performance for £400 (5700XT) (however the RX480 is a £200 card so would expect to get approx double if I'm doubling the money) so I am looking for triple current performance from the next gen. If that doesn't happen in my price range I will spend less and get double my current performance in what will then be a fairly low end GPU in the stack.

Only other consideration is that I want to run a G2 VR headset at full resolution. The 5700XT or 2070 Super can just about do that currently so that's why I'd ideally like triple my current performance.
 
no I will get RTX 580ti IN 2 years time lol have you looked at the prices for a RTX 2080ti lol adv price+ shiping £1400 nuts there worth no more than £700 + we got better cards coming in 4 weeks so if a RTX2080ti is that price now then next cards will be £2000 hehe

anything is only ever worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. You and I are aligned. But sadly many others see no issue with splashing the cash and therefore the manufacturer is happy charging obscene amounts for them. That we don't pay them doesn't matter so long as enough others do. But worth? Worth is only ever on an individual basis. Technically old stamps are worth nothing to most people, but to some collectors they are worth ooodles. But only while there are collectors happy to pay for them etc.
 
Actually my previous post got me thinking. My RX480 8Gb cost around £200. What can you get for £200 in current gen?

AMD: 5500XT is about £190 and 5600XT is about £280.

The 5500XT has no improvement in score for around the same money. The 5600XT is 13,400 on passmark so a 60% improvement and costs 25% more.


Nvidia: 1660 Ti and 1660 Super are similarly priced at about £260. For £200 you can get a standard 1660.

The Ti/Super both score around 12,700 so about at 50% improvement for 25% more money. The standard 1660 scores around 11500 so a 35% improvement for the same money.



Based on those numbers, one would really expect to be able to get approaching double the performance of my RX480 for £300 in the next gen, because right now I could get +50-60% for well under £300. Its so easy to get starstruck by the big hitting top end cards, when there is still good performance available for much cheaper further down the stack.
 
anything is only ever worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. You and I are aligned. But sadly many others see no issue with splashing the cash and therefore the manufacturer is happy charging obscene amounts for them. That we don't pay them doesn't matter so long as enough others do. But worth? Worth is only ever on an individual basis. Technically old stamps are worth nothing to most people, but to some collectors they are worth ooodles. But only while there are collectors happy to pay for them etc.
ha you should buy them all you could make £££££££ when your in old age and need the funns hehe
 
ha you should buy them all you could make £££££££ when your in old age and need the funns hehe
ah but that's my point. You're assuming that in the future someone will be around to pay those ££££££££ for them. But what if a global recession and climate collapse inverts that situation, and the current generation of disproportionately wealthy old collector have died off. At that point that ££££££££ becomes not a lot and the amount paid now is wasted. buying a collectable for amounts beyond its intrinsic worth now in the hope of massive appreciation is only ever a gamble, no matter how calculated, and should not be relied upon as a guaranteed stream of income for the future.
 
anything is only ever worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. You and I are aligned. But sadly many others see no issue with splashing the cash and therefore the manufacturer is happy charging obscene amounts for them. That we don't pay them doesn't matter so long as enough others do. But worth? Worth is only ever on an individual basis. Technically old stamps are worth nothing to most people, but to some collectors they are worth ooodles. But only while there are collectors happy to pay for them etc.

Yes but these cards need a certain number of buyers.

Is there someone that would pay 1 billion pounds for the fastest card each gen...perhaps, but no one else would.
 
but if the company needs £300m to break even and £600m to hit revenue targets then £1bn is oodles extra profit and they can ignore everyone else. They are in the profit making business via the selling of PC hardware, not the GPU business for the good of gamers at large. Their funders and shareholders could not give a monkeys how the profit arrives, so long as it does, and the more the better. With that mentality driving things what do you expect to see?

edit for that matter it's what presumably drove things at intel for so long too. It's fine until a disruptor emerges and knocks them off their perch, and then what? If the coffers are swelled it might be ok, but if it's all been leached away in dividends and left the company to enrich those shareholders? Well...
 
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So anyone leaning towards any 3000 series card in particular or just awaiting pricing to decide?

Yes my 1070 is starting to struggle now with most recent release at 1440p ultra 60 fps which is what i want to game at, i nearly bought a 2070s when they had cod bundled with it.

Il probably be looking at the 3070, maybe the 3080 depending on price or the navis it all depends on price vs performance.
 
no I will get RTX 580ti IN 2 years time lol have you looked at the prices for a RTX 2080ti lol adv price+ shiping £1400 nuts there worth no more than £700 + we got better cards coming in 4 weeks so if a RTX2080ti is that price now then next cards will be £2000 hehe
Will probably £3000 in 2 years time with nvidinflation.

So anyone leaning towards any 3000 series card in particular or just awaiting pricing to decide?

I'm going to sit tight till xmas for the dust to settle as all the big cards will be out by then so can check the benches/feedback/driver support etc and make a informed decision.
 
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Just spent some time compiling this chart, and its actually changed my view of things.

Ge8HeCN.png


It looks to me like the only outlying card really, was the 2080 Ti. The rest of the cards actually form a consistent and fairly reasonable price to performance pattern and the improvements between series (especially for Nvidia) are clearly visible.

Firstly the Nvidia Pascal series is very linear in pricing, and actually if you project that green line forward you get exactly to where the 2080 Ti is in terms of pricing and performance.

Then Turing (the dark green line) is again reasonably linear with the exception of the 2080 Ti. The remaining cards follow a similar profile to Pascal except shifted to the right. This means they have delivered an increase in performance at broadly the same price points.

Taking a look at AMD, their RDNA1 series could effectively be an extension of the Turing series line at the lower end.

The Vega and Radeon VII cards in the AMD GCN series are clearly sitting between Pascal and Turing both in price and performance, so it looks to be spot on in terms of placement, representing an improvement over Pascal but not getting to the level of Turing.

And the weaker GCN RX cards are also sitting, comparatively speaking, in what looks to be the right place in terms of their price and performance.


* I did my best to find the dollar release prices of all the cards but there was some variability in the data sources so they might be slightly off.
 
Just spent some time compiling this chart, and its actually changed my view of things.

Ge8HeCN.png


It looks to me like the only outlying card really, was the 2080 Ti. The rest of the cards actually form a consistent and fairly reasonable price to performance pattern and the improvements between series (especially for Nvidia) are clearly visible.

Firstly the Nvidia Pascal series is very linear in pricing, and actually if you project that green line forward you get exactly to where the 2080 Ti is in terms of pricing and performance.

Then Turing (the dark green line) is again reasonably linear with the exception of the 2080 Ti. The remaining cards follow a similar profile to Pascal except shifted to the right. This means they have delivered an increase in performance at broadly the same price points.

Taking a look at AMD, their RDNA1 series could effectively be an extension of the Turing series line at the lower end.

The Vega and Radeon VII cards in the AMD GCN series are clearly sitting between Pascal and Turing both in price and performance, so it looks to be spot on in terms of placement, representing an improvement over Pascal but not getting to the level of Turing.

And the weaker GCN RX cards are also sitting, comparatively speaking, in what looks to be the right place in terms of their price and performance.


* I did my best to find the dollar release prices of all the cards but there was some variability in the data sources so they might be slightly off.
great chart - but is the 2080 vs 2080 super missing/properly shown?
 
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