NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[timorous]

Ok here we are.

Its pretty obvious which generation is the odd one out here. Remove the 1st release of Turing and you get a really consistent set of steps between generations and you get a consistent set of prices between generations.

The 2080 Ti is clearly an odd one out here, almost, I would say, to the extent that it does not belong in this comparison at all.

The super range is clearly where the 1st release should have been, and the equivalent card to the 1080 Ti is not the 2080 Ti, but the 2080 Super.

I see it differently. 780Ti -> 980Ti is around 50% increase for a lower cost. 980Ti -> 1080Ti is around 30% increase for a slightly higher cost. 1080Ti -> 2080Ti is around 25% increase for nearly double the cost.

The perf/$ of Pascal was already behind that of Maxwell and Kepler and Turing just turns that up several notches. The score should be a logarithmic scale so that even spacing shows an even % increase and on that sort of scale you will see that Kepler to Maxwell to Pascal to Turing shows a drastically shrinking performance delta from fastest card to fastest card.

 

[Huggie86]

Just looking through the ebay sold listing and the MM on here people selling and wanting 900 quid for their 2080tis. Some people are bonkers to be paying that when we only 2 weeks away. Especially when RT performance is looking to be 4x increase across the whole stack.

 

[Kaapstad]

If the 3080 hits near £1k as expected then I think you'll still get 450/500 for the 2080Ti tbf.

450/500 is quite a drop in value.

 

[Kaapstad]

Ok here we are.

Its pretty obvious which generation is the odd one out here. Remove the 1st release of Turing and you get a really consistent set of steps between generations and you get a consistent set of prices between generations.

The 2080 Ti is clearly an odd one out here, almost, I would say, to the extent that it does not belong in this comparison at all.

The super range is clearly where the 1st release should have been, and the equivalent card to the 1080 Ti is not the 2080 Ti, but the 2080 Super.

Passmark is not a very good benchmark to use.

Looking at graphics scores in Timespy there is quite a difference when comparing the 980 Ti, 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti for example.

 

[IvanDobskey]

Bag a second hand 2080 Ti, I don't think they will hold their value once the 3XXX cards arrive.

I think the 2080's will still be too pricey for my blood to be honest. They aren't much faster than the 10 series and rtx is pointless anyway. The 1080ti will be the best buy I think. Will keep an eye on the mm though

 

[Kaapstad]

I think the 2080's will still be too pricey for my blood to be honest. They aren't much faster than the 10 series and rtx is pointless anyway. The 1080ti will be the best buy I think. Will keep an eye on the mm though

The 1080 Ti is still a very good card.

 

[IvanDobskey]

The 1080 Ti is still a very good card.

Definitely, I think it's a good 50% faster than my 1070, so a decent upgrade.

 

[TNA]

I think the 3090 will be the full fat GA102 chip. This will be an expensive card due to the lower yields with a full fat chip.

The Titan when it appears I think will be on the GA100 chip.

Using the pro chips is what NVidia have done for the last two Titans (Volta and Turing).

You maybe right. I just can’t see the full fat 102 chip commanding that kinda price. I call fake news on this one.

450/500 is quite a drop in value.

Old used non shiny tech, I would not even pay that. Better of getting a 3070 even if it is slightly slower. Over time it would likely claw back the difference and you will likely get much better RT. Got to be bonkers to buy a second hand 2080Ti when you can get the much more efficient brand spanking new shiny 3070 imo.

This was also the case with the 980Ti and 1070. People wanted same price for their second hand 980Ti as a brand new 1070. Like wtf. Haha.

 

[tyler_jrb]

If the 3080 hits near £1k as expected then I think you'll still get 450/500 for the 2080Ti tbf.

If the 3070 matches 2080Ti then it won’t be so far behind price wise. It will likely still have more or similar vram which will help to keep some of its value vs say the 2070-2080S range.

if it ends up dropping to £400 then I’ll just be keeping mine either a few more years or as a spare card. I’ll be looking to buy the next Ti though.

Why people would buy 2nd hand old gen over new I don’t know also but people do.

All depends how much these new cards cost. Being nvidia £1000 could be the new norm.

 

[Greebo]

Maybe someone from Ocuk can supply some numbers.

I only say prices in pound because that’s what we are paying for them.

but so much of what we pay in pounds has been more to do with the exchange rate rather than Nvidia's pricing.

Take the Nvidia 8800 Ultra launched in May 2007. It cost $829 at launch. It was $2 to the pound back then and vat was only 17.5% so under £500.

If you convert the $829 using today's exchange rate and VAT and adjust for the last 13 years for inflation you get £1,055.54 in today's money.

So anybody who was happy to buy a 8800 Ultra back in 2007 would be happy to pay £1,055 today fro Nvidia's top of the range card.

 

[Journey]

So anybody who was happy to buy a 8800 Ultra

There were like 2 people in the entire UK who bought the Ultra.

To quote Anandtech.

"We are all for higher performance, and we don't mind higher prices. But it is ridiculous to charge an exorbitant amount of money for something that doesn't offer any benefit over a product already on the market. $830 isn't the issue. In fact, we would love to see a graphics card worth $830. The 8800 Ultra just isn't it."

 

[BigBANGtheory]

If the 3080 hits near £1k as expected then I think you'll still get 450/500 for the 2080Ti tbf.

That is not universally expected, I personally think it will be the same price as the 2080. Some say a little less some say a bit more, some say a lot more.

3090 I would expect to be very expensive, a new tier and name usually indicated price intentions. If they jack up the 3060. 3070, 3080 tiers Nividia will cop a ton of flack for that, sure there will be % of people that pony up but they've aren't stupid they will have the maxwell, pascal, Turing sales data and volumes weren't great prior to the 2070S.

I also still think Nvidia will hold back a 3080Ti in reserve to combat Big Navi, where Nvidia have to be careful is pricing the 3080 because if Big Navi beats it in raw perf (I think it will if there is an 80 CU part) and costs less that means they will be forced to cut price and they hate doing that, they've not had to do that in years.

Of course I maybe completely wrong and living in a dream world, might as well enjoy it while it lasts

 

[Greebo]

There were like 2 people in the entire UK who bought the Ultra.

To quote Anandtech.

"We are all for higher performance, and we don't mind higher prices. But it is ridiculous to charge an exorbitant amount of money for something that doesn't offer any benefit over a product already on the market. $830 isn't the issue. In fact, we would love to see a graphics card worth $830. The 8800 Ultra just isn't it."

Wonder how many ocuk sold?

 

[Journey]

Wonder how many ocuk sold?

Not sure, but I remember it was that badly received they dropped the prices and EVGA had a promo where if you bought an 8800 Ultra they gave you a free EVGA 680i LT motherboard. There were zero favourable reviews, as it was just the 8800GTX with a clock bump, and you could get 99% of that performance for free by OCing the GTX, everyone saw through the cash grab, this was Nvidia's attempt at doing an 2080Ti back in 2007, except back then people were smarter and there was more competition around.

 

[Ayahuasca]

If the 3080 is anywhere near a grand I'm done with this as a hobby.

 

[scubes]

OCUK will put there wee fee on it I’m sure but can’t wait to see benchies and price . Still saying 2 grand for the top model.

 

[HACO]

but so much of what we pay in pounds has been more to do with the exchange rate rather than Nvidia's pricing.

Take the Nvidia 8800 Ultra launched in May 2007. It cost $829 at launch. It was $2 to the pound back then and vat was only 17.5% so under £500.

If you convert the $829 using today's exchange rate and VAT and adjust for the last 13 years for inflation you get £1,055.54 in today's money.

So anybody who was happy to buy a 8800 Ultra back in 2007 would be happy to pay £1,055 today fro Nvidia's top of the range card.

Not really because due to weakness of our currency we've become a poorer country comparatively. Currency dropping doesn't mean people can continue to afford the same USD value. We can't.

 

[Jono8]

Just looking through the ebay sold listing and the MM on here people selling and wanting 900 quid for their 2080tis. Some people are bonkers to be paying that when we only 2 weeks away. Especially when RT performance is looking to be 4x increase across the whole stack.

The second hand gpu market is always absolutely bonkers for some reason. I'm not sure if its just ignorance of prices or something, but we always get stories on here of people getting almost what they cost new for them, even when a new generationis just around the corner.

 

[kevman]

Not really because due to weakness of our currency we've become a poorer country comparatively. Currency dropping doesn't mean people can continue to afford the same USD value. We can't.

If we were really that poor and nobody was buying them they would just drop the prices though. People are buying the cards but making sacrifices elsewhere

 

[Simon Belmont]

If the 3080 is anywhere near a grand I'm done with this as a hobby.

Agree, they have finally gone too far. I'll just keep what I have now and use the new 3000 series money on PS5 instead. I'm sure prices will be bonkers.