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Yeah the Etron forums seemed to suggest real world 150 miles in the 71kw Etron, where as the Jag was around 200. For me the extra range makes a big difference practically.
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Yeah the Etron forums seemed to suggest real world 150 miles in the 71kw Etron, where as the Jag was around 200. For me the extra range makes a big difference practically.
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H264 update has gave the i paces a good boost on efficiency for drivetrain control and heating system is better managed.
I thought the graham stephens model 3 video seemed balanced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiBftPFmkBA
(USA) Insurance comment, of reducing, by 50%, when provided by tesla was interesting - to what extent model 3, and other, ev insurance, is a jump up from ice in the uk. ?
The winter mileage comments too.
Would be interesting to see the satin black wrap in the flesh - could suit the futuristic cabin & low CdF design.
(USA) Insurance comment, of reducing, by 50%, when provided by tesla was interesting - to what extent model 3, and other, ev insurance, is a jump up from ice in the uk. ?
The winter mileage comments too.
Would be interesting to see the satin black wrap in the flesh - could suit the futuristic cabin & low CdF design.
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The NHS has bought them already...
That doesnt explain the price?
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The base Etron was even cheaper. Merc EQC too pretty cheap too. Even Teslas pop up sub £400 I think.
Pure EV BIK change in April made them very appealing.
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Yeah I couldn't not get one at those prices. I barely run and fuel my current car for less.
There is a pension impact which is quite hard to quantify but the rules change every few years anyway so who knows what will happen in 30 years. The money saved by not buying a new car will come off the mortgage so will gain some back that way.
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It's salary sacrifice combined with zero bik, so the actual cost of the lease is much more expensive, but after the tax benefits of salary sacrifice the net change in pay is much less for people who are higher rate tax payers.
Usually salary sacrifice car schemes are not that cheap because what the user saves in tax they then pay usually even more in company car tax. But there is no company car tax on full EV...
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It's silly cheap to be honest, especially knowing BIK for the next couple of years will only go up to 2% it was too good to let pass. Will probably hate the whole long journey/public charger situation which looks a mess for non Teslas but for the price I'm willing to give it a go.
Possibly not hugely indicative since the age of the car will also have made a big difference, but when I changed from a 13 year old ICE (1.8 petrol Civic) to a brand new Zoe, my insurance dropped by ~10% (paid ~£250 for the year, got ~£20 refund when I changed the car after about 3 months)
For the vast majority of longer journeys it is no issue at all, the worst bit is if you can't be bothered to make sure you've got a secondary backup if your intended location to stop is on an MSA since there are sadly still to few alternatives directly at them due to the Ecotricity lock in. That is slowly improving as companies like BP put the chargers on their actual fuelling forecourts to get around the issue though. Instavolt have a significant number of charging sites sitting near motorway junctions, and given their recent tie up with McDonalds that is going to improve very quickly as well. Ionity are slow to get new sites online in the UK, but there are a good few strategically placed thus far.
I think you also need to define a what is a long journey for you, and also consider if destination charging is possible or not on a specific journey. Lots of people think it will be worse than it actually is, and some do have horror stories to tell even when they have done all they can to mitigate against it, but those are the few not the many, and just like anything in life people seem to get very vocal about a bad experience but less so about a good one.
It'll be really interesting to hear how you get on with an EV. I think you'll be able to provide a far less bias ownership opinion than those who have decided EV is best thing ever and then invested piles of money in it.
Jag NHS deal must be ensuring they have good volume, in the UK fleet, and looking ahead to creating 2nd hand stock in their concessions too,
brexit could still mean a ~10% import tax too, Toyota ceo had been saying how much margin they need to build in for brexit, so swelling now is beneficial
brexit could still mean a ~10% import tax too, Toyota ceo had been saying how much margin they need to build in for brexit, so swelling now is beneficial
That's a strange opinion. You realise everyone who currently has an EV was driving ICE before they bought an EV?
It really isn't a strange opinion at all, is it? Most people driving an EV currently are enthusiastic early adopters who have sunk a considerable amount of their own money into the concept. Pop to the video card forum if you want to see how totally unbiased and objective this type of consumer typically is.
It would be like expecting me to give an opinion on a BMW 5 series that's free from any sort of bias or perhaps expect an objective and fair view of Chelsea's chances next year from a season ticket holder.
Whereas those getting them on cheap deals are probably less invested in the concept and therefore able to make a more honest and fair appraisal.
Yeah... Ecotricity need to just die already, or at least give up the Electric Highway and stick to their domestic electricity tariffs. Their chargers are frequently broken, and there just aren't enough of them for the increased number of EVs on the road now - 2 units at a MSA was fine a few years ago when EVs were in the vast minority, but now I'd say 5+ at a minimum.
I was charging at Chieveley late one evening last week - one of the chargers was in use by a Jag when I arrived, and by the time I'd finished charging 45 mins later, a Leaf had come, seen both chargers were in use and left again, an I3 had taken over where the Jag was, a young couple with an e2008 were waiting for the I3 to finish, and a guy in an Etron was waiting for me to finish, after having been unable to charge at the previous services because the chargers there (also Ecotricity) weren't working.
I really don't understand how the govt. haven't stepped in and told them to shape up or lose their monopoly (i.e. buy them out, force them to sell to another company) - lack of sufficient, reliable rapid chargers on the motorway (when people are going to need them the most) must be one of the biggest barriers to uptake of EVs!
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Yeah there's clearly no sort of performance clause in their contract as the service seems terrible on all fronts.
Does anyone know when they have the exclusive contract until?
Does anyone know when they have the exclusive contract until?
I find it amazing that anyone can be bothered with this. I cannot remember the last time i stopped at a services despite being a high mileage driver. It sounds like utter misery to me to be dealing with stopping even when the chargers are free, let alone a scenario as above.