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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

So,
I heard you like charts..

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Maybe someone with actual statistics knowledge can try and suss out some correlations so that we may extrapolate & speculate some more.

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five8five said:
Don't you feel that in recent years cycling has gone the same way as GPUs as prices have sky rocketed?
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Depends on what you're looking at, I suppose.

For instance, I bought a road bike at cost in 1979.

I paid about £110, that got me a 10 speed steel machine, non-derailleur gears, crap brakes, but that was their top of the range bike at the time.

Google tells me that 1979 110 quid is over £500 today.

That would get me a lot better bike than what I got way back then.
 
Kelt said:
Depends on what you're looking at, I suppose.

For instance, I bought a road bike at cost in 1979.

I paid about £110, that got me a 10 speed steel machine, non-derailleur gears, crap brakes, but that was their top of the range bike at the time.

Google tells me that 1979 110 quid is over £500 today.

That would get me a lot better bike than what I got way back then.
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True, the technology has improved tremendously. I was on steel rims then with crappy caliper brakes that didn't stop in the wet :D

I see more and more bikes released in the £10-12k segment. I'm not sure where it's going to end.
 
Kelt said:
Depends on what you're looking at, I suppose.

For instance, I bought a road bike at cost in 1979.

I paid about £110, that got me a 10 speed steel machine, non-derailleur gears, crap brakes, but that was their top of the range bike at the time.

Google tells me that 1979 110 quid is over £500 today.

That would get me a lot better bike than what I got way back then.
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I was looking at this the other day.
2009 CAAD 9 Ultegra, £1600.
2020 CAAD 13 Ultegra, £1900.

In terms of the last gfx card i bought

2013 my GTX 780 was £500 ish

2020 RTX 3080 ???

can’t remember what i was using in 2009
 
Grim5 said:
Rumour mill time, this is coming from motherboard manufacturers.

Everyone who owns a PCIE4 AMD motherboard is going to be happy, Intel owners who do not are going to be sad face.

So apparently some of the new RTX3000 cards are able to saturate PCIE 3.0 x16. Now because Intel currently has no desktop CPU that supports pcie4, this means RTX3000 GPUs will run faster on AMD x570 systems and B550 systems.

Rocket Lake S from Intel was suppose to launch at the end of this year so Intel owners could get maximum benefit from RTx3000 but now they cannot - they will have to wait while AMD systems will have higher GPU performance
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If an intel motherboard running a Titan RTX @x8 is not saturated then there is no chance @x16 a 3XXX card will be.

The other week I had to upgrade my 24/7 PC, I did look at AMD but in the end went for an intel setup as the AMD CPUs don't overclock that high and would really throttle a couple of Titans.:eek:
 
five8five said:
True, the technology has improved tremendously. I was on steel rims then with crappy caliper brakes that didn't stop in the wet :D

I see more and more bikes released in the £10-12k segment. I'm not sure where it's going to end.
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Dont always agree with that, but I know what you mean as there are guys in the club who get £5k+ bikes.

My last splash out on a carbon bike was from the things that orbit the sun and a letter. I got complete bike with full Ultegra gear (special edition frame) for £1800 delivered. Yeah the bike doesn't have amazing wheels but ideal to train on and get dinged on these rubbish local roads full of pot holes. :)
 
Fyter said:
Thats one way of looking at it, another way of looking at benchmarks is which ones can I afford and how do they fare against each other, and is there a performance advantage to one card in any of my favorite games e.g. PUBG & Witcher 3 - Nvidia.
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I know people who look at the benchmarks, see that Nvidia are the fastest, then look further down the product stack.

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The VII is EOL. When the 30XX are released it's going to be grim reading until Big Navi appears.
 
FoxEye said:
If Turing becomes the "new normal", then the upgrade for the 2080 (at the same price point in two gens time) will be the 4060, offering +10% performance. Or the 5050, at the same price point, offering +10% performance :p

If rumours are true, Turing isn't an anomaly, but the new gold standard in price hikes. :D
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Turing 1 and Turing 2 need to be separated because its pretty obvious from the chart progressions that Turing 1 was a dud. They have however fixed it for Turing 2 and restored the historical improvement pattern in all but the very top cards.

If you were on a 1080, moving to a 2070 S got you 23% more (the same +3000 score increase as previous jumps) for less money. If it turns out that the upgrade to the 2070S is named the 3060, well so what if it offers another 25% jump? You seem focused on the naming or tiers rather than what you get for your money - got to see past that marketing.

Turing 2 was only a price hike if you followed the naming, so if you went from Ti to Ti, or from 1080 to 2080, then yes, prices went up. But you didn't need to do that to get the equivalent performance jump as historically occured, you could drop a 'naming tier' and still get it.

It looks to me like it simply wasn't worth upgrading from a 1080 Ti in the new gen, but it probably will be in the next because that will be 2 generations away and you'll get the jump - likely by dropping down a tier or two as well.
 
five8five said:
The VII is EOL. When the 30XX are released it's going to be grim reading until Big Navi appears.
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You are assuming that AMD aren't going to cut the MSRP on the 5500XT, 5600XT and 5700XT before they release anything? It's not that hard to see it happening.
 
danlightbulb said:
If you were on a 1080, moving to a 2070 S got you 23% more (the same +3000 score increase as previous jumps) for less money. If it turns out that the upgrade to the 2070S is named the 3060, well so what if it offers another 25% jump? You seem focused on the naming or tiers rather than what you get for your money - got to see past that marketing.
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I am following you, although Supers wernt our straight away so not quite fair saying people had that choice for a while.
 
Grim5 said:
Rumour mill time, this is coming from motherboard manufacturers.

Everyone who owns a PCIE4 AMD motherboard is going to be happy, Intel owners who do not are going to be sad face.

So apparently some of the new RTX3000 cards are able to saturate PCIE 3.0 x16. Now because Intel currently has no desktop CPU that supports pcie4, this means RTX3000 GPUs will run faster on AMD x570 systems and B550 systems.

Rocket Lake S from Intel was suppose to launch at the end of this year so Intel owners could get maximum benefit from RTx3000 but now they cannot - they will have to wait while AMD systems will have higher GPU performance
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The word "apparently" discredits everything you just said
 
Th0nt said:
Dont always agree with that, but I know what you mean as there are guys in the club who get £5k+ bikes.

My last splash out on a carbon bike was from the things that orbit the sun and a letter. I got complete bike with full Ultegra gear (special edition frame) for £1800 delivered. Yeah the bike doesn't have amazing wheels but ideal to train on and get dinged on these rubbish local roads full of pot holes. :)
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Just meaning at the top-end they've gone Titan :p

Agree, there's deals to be had and decent value out there. I've not bought a complete bike in over 20 years, I just buy the frame or components and upgrade. Partly because I'm discerning or is it picky :p
I'm the same with PCs. I enjoy the tinkering and the upgrading.
 
Th0nt said:
I am following you, although Supers wernt our straight away so not quite fair saying people had that choice for a while.
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Indeed, if you bought a GTX 1080 for £600 notes in July 2016, and then in July 2019 bought a 2070 Super, you'd have the same performance you could have got by buying/trading up to a 1080Ti without spending another £500-600.
 
Ive redone my chart showing the Timespy scores this time. The pattern is very similar, so I think this means either benchmark can be used to show/interpret the series progression.

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Passmark:
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