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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

dreigns said:
If using RTX then yes most likely but I think your being greedy :) 3070 doing a 2080ti performance and much cheaper and you want more ;)
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I know that but several people on here keep insisting that a 3070 smashes a 2080ti in everything. My point being is that in DLSS plus RTX games I am expecting it to beat a 2080ti by up to 20%. The fact that Nvidida charts only shows an average 1% overall performance gain for the 3070 must mean that the 3070 is 20% slower than the 2080ti in as many games as it is 20% faster.
 
The Old School Gamer said:
NVIDIA are going to release Ti / Super variants, it's just a case of when they decide to.
For me it's like can my 1080ti last a little longer till those are released, as those are the cards to get with more VRAM. :-/

Either that or you say 'screw it, I'm getting a 3090' lol.
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Yeah, I am hoping so too. Very tempted by the 3080 at that price but I think I can resist, for now.
 
Can't see a Ti/Super version out this year, but you never know, if AMD pull something out the hat soon, they might have to. I very much want to upgrade this year, so probably forced to choose between 3080 and 3090...
 
Richdog said:
Morning guys, there has been a big Q&A on Reddit with Nvidia that answers some pretty big questions... https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ilhao8/nvidia_rtx_30series_you_asked_we_answered/



What that says to me is that if Nvidia use the words "10GB was deemed enough for cost-efficiency reasons" then (as many of us suspected) they did knowingly compromise on the VRAM amount. That sentence with the word "deemed" tells me all I need to know, as it is a word is very often used when someone is uncertain/hesitant and wants to justify something in a more roundabout and less definite way while still staying formal and giving a direct answer. The people earlier in the thread who were saying that "VRAM will not be a problem and no-one knows better than Nvidia" are wrong. Nvidia know they compromised and we will undoubtedly see higher VRAM amounts as GDDR6X gets cheaper.

The 3070 also looks like a great purchase and beats a 2080Ti in every respect, further bombing the value of a used 2080 Ti.
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[Justin Walker] We’re constantly analyzing memory requirements of the latest games and regularly review with game developers to understand their memory needs for current and upcoming games. The goal of 3080 is to give you great performance at up to 4k resolution with all the settings maxed out at the best possible price.

In order to do this, you need a very powerful GPU with high speed memory and enough memory to meet the needs of the games. A few examples - if you look at Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Metro Exodus, Wolfenstein Youngblood, Gears of War 5, Borderlands 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 running on a 3080 at 4k with Max settings (including any applicable high res texture packs) and RTX On, when the game supports it, you get in the range of 60-100fps and use anywhere from 4GB to 6GB of memory.

Extra memory is always nice to have but it would increase the price of the graphics card, so we need to find the right balance.


Dont see the problem with that? the games there are very demanding and if they are only using 4-6gb of memory on a 4k res i see no issue?







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Bravetart said:
Can't see a Ti/Super version out this year, but you never know, if AMD pull something out the hat soon, they might have to. I very much want to upgrade this year, so probably forced to choose between 3080 and 3090...
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It makes no logical sense that a 3080 Ti or Super variant that was not even remotely mentioned in any leaks or in any official releases would be released this year. Next year sure, but this year? That would be silly.
 
Bravetart said:
Can't see a Ti/Super version out this year, but you never know, if AMD pull something out the hat soon, they might have to. I very much want to upgrade this year, so probably forced to choose between 3080 and 3090...
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Thats the key. If AMD is another damp squid then the Ti wont be out until next year. If AMD delivers then Nvidia know they already have the fastest card with the 3090 (nobody is expecting the Big Navi to beat a 3090) and they can bring out a 16/20Gb 3080ti between the 3080 and 3090 and have it beat the BIg Navi (just) and priced accordingly between the 3080 and the 3090.

So IMO, whether we see a Ti this year or next year all depends on AMD now.
 
One Vision said:
The 2080Ti will go down in history as relative lemon.

£1200, barely 30% faster than a 1080Ti and then beaten by a sub-£500 card only two years later.
And yet people are asking for over £500-£600 or more on Ebay for a 2080Ti.

They aint worth no more than £400 tops.
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If you're going to copy/paste my comments please quote them.
 
The Old School Gamer said:
NVIDIA are going to release Ti / Super variants, it's just a case of when they decide to.
For me it's like can my 1080ti last a little longer till those are released, as those are the cards to get with more VRAM. :-/

Either that or you say 'screw it, I'm getting a 3090' lol.
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What would the Ti varient offer ? Just more vram?
 
Greebo said:
Thats the key. If AMD is another damp squid then the Ti wont be out until next year. If AMD delivers then Nvidia know they already have the fastest card with the 3090 (nobody is expecting the Big Navi to beat a 3090) and they can bring out a 16/20Gb 3080ti between the 3080 and 3090 and have it beat the BIg Navi (just) and priced accordingly between the 3080 and the 3090.

So IMO, whether we see a Ti this year or next year all depends on AMD now.
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Remember the 1080Ti was only released because of the perceived threat from Vega64. That threat didn't materialise and NVidia ended up shooting themselves in the foot as a result as the 1080Ti was way too good and partially hampered Turing in the years that followed.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Remember the 1080Ti was only released because of the perceived threat from Vega64. That threat didn't materialise and NVidia ended up shooting themselves in the foot as a result as the 1080Ti was way too good and partially hampered Turing in the years that followed.
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Exactly. So its all in AMD hands now.
 
rchads89 said:
[Justin Walker] We’re constantly analyzing memory requirements of the latest games and regularly review with game developers to understand their memory needs for current and upcoming games. The goal of 3080 is to give you great performance at up to 4k resolution with all the settings maxed out at the best possible price.

In order to do this, you need a very powerful GPU with high speed memory and enough memory to meet the needs of the games. A few examples - if you look at Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Metro Exodus, Wolfenstein Youngblood, Gears of War 5, Borderlands 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 running on a 3080 at 4k with Max settings (including any applicable high res texture packs) and RTX On, when the game supports it, you get in the range of 60-100fps and use anywhere from 4GB to 6GB of memory.

Extra memory is always nice to have but it would increase the price of the graphics card, so we need to find the right balance.

Dont see the problem with that? the games there are very demanding and if they are only using 4-6gb of memory on a 4k res i see no issue?
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Those are popular 2018/2019 games that they have picked to fit their statement, but they are not the most demanding games around no PC. Just do a google to see which games use more than 4-6GB at 4k, because obviously they exist. This is to me a cost-saving exercise/compromise and balancing act designed as more of a short-term solution (in the grand scheme of things) until memory prices lower or improved variants are released.

If you don't agree with me then that is fine, but lets re-visit this topic in the next 6-12 months when the new bleeding-edge games are released and we see them running at 4k Ultra settings. I am confident we will start to see some limitations with 10GB and that owners of 3090's will show us games using more than 10GB VRAM.
 
vram this vram that. people complaining about vram on these cards are these people running 4k res on max settings on every title at the moment? even so im sure you will be fine with the 3080 still...

Im sure these people complaining and making a issue of it are people that play valorant on 1080p or counter strike on 1080p or maybe warzone at 1080p.
 
rchads89 said:
vram this vram that. people complaining about vram on these cards are these people running 4k res on max settings on every title at the moment? even so im sure you will be fine with the 3080 still...

Im sure these people complaining and making a issue of it are people that play valorant on 1080p or counter strike on 1080p or maybe warzone at 1080p.
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4k max settings you're ok with 8gb mostly.
 
Richdog said:
Those are popular 2018/2019 games that they have picked to fit their statement, but they are not the most demanding games around no PC. Just do a google to see which games use more than 4-6GB at 4k, because obviously they exist. This is a pure cost-saving exercise designed as a short-term solution until memory prices lower.

If you don't agree with me then that is fine, but lets re-visit this topic in the next 6-12 months when the new bleeding-edge games are released and we see them running at 4k Ultra settings. I am confident we will start to see some limitations with 10GB and that owners of 3090's will show us games using more than 10GB VRAM.
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You into 4k gaming then on that 1660 super?
 
Agreed. I think Nvidia have gone for the cost saving. Afterall that memory isnt cheap and if the 3080 had double the memory then we would have been looking at £800 for the FE and AIB cards would have been around a £1000 again.

So they know they can get away with that memory for now and they wont care that this might cause issues within the next 2 years as obviously they will love you to sell your card and upgrade to their newer one with more memory. They arent going to tell you that and cripple their sales are they?
 
Robert896r1 said:
It's vs a 2080, non Ti.

Vs Ti should be about 35-40% which is still a lot!
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My mistake...oops! Time will tell.

I think the TI's / supers are just waiting in the wings in the shelf to pull out if necessary.

perhaps is a reasonable move by nvidia ... Wait and see if the vram is actually needed or not going forward. It is a way of keeping the cost down which was big complaint of Turing.
 
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