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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Have you got a power meter @OZONE ? List your specs we may have some comparative assistance. My system is a 3600, vega56, many hard disks, case fans. It idles at 65w and max power draw is 375w as the GPU is undervolted.
 
IvanDobskey said:
If the rest of your system is pretty lean, then I'm pretty sure a quality 650w will be fine.

For me with 6 hard drives and a 3900x, there is no way a 650 is going to be enough.
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Yeah I don't have much on my system - a regular Ryzen 3600, 16GB RAM, 1 NVME, 1 SSD, 1 HDD, 3x Noctua 140mm case fans, Noctua D15 CPU (2x 140mm) cooler, and a bunch of connected wireless peripherals (keyboard, mouse, gamepad).
 
LeMson said:
Yep that last line is saying once they start smashing rtx io through it Intel will need to be on 4 lol
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Sort of. I mean there's a straight 5-6x speed benefit on PCI-e 3.0 x4 over SATA and most NVMe drives right now don't exceed 4GB/sec of PCI-e 3.0 4x, although some come close, my 960 Pros are about 3.5Gb/sec. But in future as NVMe drives continue to increase in speed it will begin to matter, the 980 Pros are 7Gb/sec sequential reads which requires PCI-e 4.0 4x, but I don't think they're available yet. But it's one of those things where the benefit is scaleable, going from the 700MB/sec (ish) of SATA to even just 4GB/sec of PCI-e 3.0 4x is certainly no slouch, that's a very big speed increase.

Funny because Microsoft are designing and pushing DirectStorage for the Xbox but the rumours I saw put it at 1Tb of 2.4GB/sec SSD so they're innovating this tech and will get the least benefit. But the big difference in SSD speeds between say MS and Sony shows that there's benefits to be had here and they're scaleable. We're going to see significant benefits with this even at PCIe 3.0 but just potentially 2x more in the future with 4.0

Personally I think the architecture should be more forward focused and start aiming for putting these new drives behind x8 lanes and even x16 lanes of the PCI-e bus. You can already scale these disks in speed with RAID 0 which I've done and other people have done with PCI x16 add-in cards that sport 4x NVMe slots. In fact with the 980 Pro getting exactly 2x more speed on sequential reads over the 960/970 you gotta suspect that parallel reads is precisely what is happening internally on those drives anyway. It scales like mad.
 
OZONE said:
Yeah I don't have much on my system - a regular Ryzen 3600, 16GB RAM, 1 NVME, 1 SSD, 1 HDD, 3x Noctua 140mm case fans, Noctua D15 CPU (2x 140mm) cooler, and a bunch of connected wireless peripherals (keyboard, mouse, gamepad).
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As long as your psu is a high quality unit, I would say you'll be OK with that setup. And if there is an issue with it, your pc will probably just shut down.
 
Gerard said:
Yup, which means it's a monkey **** fight with people scrambling to look at reviews and place orders.
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The worry is that even card specs will be embargoed until then so you'll be stuck manically trying to work out the relative speeds of all the different models.


JohnG7 said:
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On NV Reddit but some random poster not NV.
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Remember that the DLSS figures are not really 8K at all but lower internal resolution upscaled to 8K.

wizzywig27 said:
£1 selling fees this weekend on eBay, think now is the time to list my 2070 Super
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I wouldn't sell anything on there if they paid me.
 
Vertigo1 said:
I suspect either NVidia has a separate "reference" design for third parties to use if they want or the manufacturers will club together to define one themselves. My money is on the former.
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Seems I was right:

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-water-blocks-for-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-are-here

There is also a bit of confusion around the term ‘reference design’. EK has underlined that the reference design does not mean Founders Edition. These cards with irregularly shaped boards are technically custom (they have a different board number) and they are not compatible with the new blocks.

There are two board designs: PG133 (Founders Edition) and PG132 (reference design). The latter will be used by board parters for their semi-custom designs (NVIDIA reference PCB and custom cooling solution).
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So the FE boards are NOT reference PCBs and will probably have very limited support from the waterblock manufacturers. This is an important point for anyone looking to watercool their cards as previously it's been the opposite and the FE has been the card to get.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Nvidia said in the questions thing on reddit that at 4k high hz you can expect 100+fps with doom and some others (lesser demanding games listed there, forgot which) and RDR2 (others listed there too) would run closer to 60fps.

That tells me upcoming demanding games like Cyberpunk will barely hold 60fps at 4k.. personally another reason why I'll stick with 1440p high hz a while longer then to ensure higher and more solid fps.
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Keep in mind they tested with max settings, which unfortunately in many of those examples includes "brute force" settings which tank the framerate but provide little to none visual improvement. In Odyssey, this was Ultra Clouds. In RDR2 this is applicable to a few settings in fact, but the worst one is the water physics. In reality with 'non-stupid' settings, I betcha these cards are gonna do much better than what they're saying.

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Vertigo1 said:
Remember that the DLSS figures are not really 8K at all but lower internal resolution upscaled to 8K.
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While you are of course right, to be fair tests have already shown that DLSS can actually sometimes have clearer and more detailed textures than native resolution. :)

Vertigo1 said:
I wouldn't sell anything on there if they paid me.
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Ebay is the devil. It used be good 15-20 years ago but is now just full of scalpers and chancers looking to pull a fast one.
 
Greebo said:
Amazed that around 30 2080tis sold yesterday on ebay for between £500 and £600. I thought people would be paying less for them by now.
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They think they are getting a deal but when the dust settles and new cards are out they will realise they been ripped off once again. No way I would pay more than £450 with a waterblock. Patience is key here
 
Richdog said:
While you are of course right, to be fair tests have already shown that DLSS can actually sometimes have clearer and more detailed textures than native resolution. :)
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And you are also correct but the key word is "sometimes".

Sometimes it's better, sometimes worse but the fact remains it's not the same as native 8K (or whatever resolution).

This deliberate blurring of the definition of "4K" and "8K" by NVidia with DLSS is concerning as it has the potential to seriously muddy the benchmark waters. When people see benchmarks, will that be native res or DLSS upscaled? Will some sites or reviewers even omit this information?
 
wizzywig27 said:
ngl, they are a nightmare. Problem is graphics cards are quite a niche product and Facebook selling groups just arent reliable at the best of times, let alone for a £300 ish graphics card
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I'll still buy on there from time to time but I haven't sold for over five years as they always side with buyers in disputes and too many scammers take advantage of that.

Private forums such as this one are the best places to sell, when you qualify for the Members' Market of course :)
 
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