NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[XeNoNF50]

People keep forgetting pixel density apparently, so those with large TV's at 4k have the same or less PPI to those with smaller 1440p monitors..

Resolution and pixel density does have an impact but I think when comparing between 1440/4k actual picture quality of the screen counts for more when comparing how something looks. Contrast, brightness, colours etc.

I love playing on my OLED, it's my best screen. My ultrawide VA panel monitor looks washed out in comparison irrespective of its higher pixel density. It has its uses though.

 

[Nexus18]

Resolution and pixel density does have an impact but I think when comparing between 1440/4k actual picture quality of the screen counts for more when comparing how something looks. Contrast, brightness, colours etc.

I love playing on my OLED, it's my best screen. My ultrawide VA panel monitor looks washed out in comparison irrespective of its higher pixel density. It has its uses though.

This a million times over.

Give me my OLED at 1440P 60HZ over 4k/1440/144HZ LCD any day of the week, just no comparison when it comes to IQ on the whole, that and motion clarity is far superior on OLED, even at lower FPS, where as with LCD, you really need to be pushing at least 80/90 FPS to have good motion clarity. Then factor in proper HDR, not even a contest.....

Always makes me laugh the hardcore PC elite master race who spend a fortune on their PCs to get the best graphics then pair it up with crappy LCD monitors Meanwhile there's the peasant console gamers who are playing on a TV screen and they are actually the ones who are getting a visually better experience

 

[PermaChanged]

What are your opinions on the power requirements Nvidia have put out, 650w recommended for the 3070 - how accurate do we believe that to be? I have an ITX build which has one of the better SFX PSUs available, a Corsair SF600 - will I really not be able to run a 30 series card with this?

 

[Richdog]

This a million times over.

Give me my OLED at 1440P 60HZ over 4k/1440/144HZ LCD any day of the week, just no comparison when it comes to IQ on the whole, that and motion clarity is far superior on OLED, even at lower FPS, where as with LCD, you really need to be pushing at least 80/90 FPS to have good motion clarity. Then factor in proper HDR, not even a contest.....

Always makes me laugh the hardcore PC elite master race who spend a fortune on their PCs to get the best graphics then pair it up with crappy LCD monitors Meanwhile there's the peasant console gamers who are playing on a TV screen and they are actually the ones who are getting a visually better experience

On the flip side, it always makes me laugh when people act as though gaming on a 48"+ TV is a practical solution for PC gamers, when most do their gaming at a desk and don't want to be craning their neck to see what they are playing or don't have the space to put the desk far enough back form a TV to make it practical.

Get a basic understanding of ergonomics, then come back and lets discuss how amazing PC gaming on an OLED TV is for the majority of people.

 

[Greebo]

On the flip side, it always makes me laugh when people act as though gaming on a 48"+ TV is a practical solution for PC gamers, when most do their gaming at a desk and don't want to be craning their neck to see what they are playing or don't have the space to put the desk far enough back form a TV to make it practical.

Get a basic understanding of ergonomics, then come back and lets discuss how amazing PC gaming on an OLED TV is for the majority of people.

clearly the way forward is for us to get 32" OLED 120hz TVs. They will have high ppi and not be stupidly close to you

 

[Illuminist]

On the flip side, it always makes me laugh when people act as though gaming on a 48"+ TV is a practical solution for PC gamers, when most do their gaming at a desk and don't want to be craning their neck to see what they are playing or don't have the space to put the desk far enough back form a TV to make it practical.

Get a basic understanding of ergonomics, then come back and lets discuss how amazing PC gaming on an OLED TV is for the majority of people.

You are even grumpier in the mornings than you usually are

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

that and motion clarity is far superior on OLED, even at lower FPS, where as with LCD, you really need to be pushing at least 80/90 FPS to have good motion clarity.

I cannot see this being true if comparing to the better monitors tbh.

OLED is also flawed, i would not want to spend over a grand on something that's likely to give me burn in because of a HUD in a game or something.

 

[waspy88]

Some very valid points. For instance the 3070 is at a major bandwidth disadvantage to the 2080ti - so not only are Nvidia's numbers cherry picked, but over time the gap between the 2080ti and 3070 will get smaller and even go negative as the 2080ti overtakes it again as the 3070's really low bandwidth will come back to haunt it

Good point, and lest we forget when they said a 1070 out beat a 980ti, and after the press unveiling we found out that was not the case at all...

 

[Greebo]

I cannot see this being true if comparing to the better monitors tbh.

OLED is also flawed, i would not want to spend over a grand on something that's likely to give me burn in because of a HUD in a game or something.

TBF that is its major/only flaw. The big issue is that to get a monitor which in every metric except burn in, is hugely inferior to OLED and it will still cost you two grand. I am fed up seeing £1500+ monitors with awful backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness, black crush, faded colours, poor or useless HDR etc.

 

[Richdog]

clearly the way forward is for us to get 32" OLED 120hz TVs. They will have high ppi and not be stupidly close to you

Agreed, this would be a great size and JOLED will likely be releasing them in 2021/2022. 28" would also be fine for me though as it's big enough yet still super sharp, probably my current favourite size.

You are even grumpier in the mornings than you usually are

Nonsense, I am consistently grumpy no matter the time of day to anyone who spouts hyperbole like that.

TBF that is its major/only flaw. The big issue is that to get a monitor which in every metric except burn in, is hugely inferior to OLED and it will still cost you two grand. I am fed up seeing £1500+ monitors with awful backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness, black crush, faded colours, poor or useless HDR etc.

This is very true... high-end expensive PC monitors are generally very flawed due to the inherent panel type problems whether it be TN, VA or IPS. They are all weakin some way.

The sensible buys are imo at around £400 or lower

 

[beany_bot]

What are your opinions on the power requirements Nvidia have put out, 650w recommended for the 3070 - how accurate do we believe that to be? I have an ITX build which has one of the better SFX PSUs available, a Corsair SF600 - will I really not be able to run a 30 series card with this?

I have a CX600 PSU. Im running a 3700x and plan to get a 3080.
I probably would have managed it but I have some lights and stuff plugged into my PC and I charge my Garmin and headphones from it, and my PSU is 7 years old now. All this led me to decide I was cutting it too fine, so I have bought a new 850W PSU.

I would think if you are running a 3070 and not too much external junk plugged in I think you will be fine with the 600w you have.

 

[waspy88]

You can always use your OLED just for gaming, rather than desktop use.
I do have my TV and PC in the office *cough* mancave, so I just connect the PC up when I need to play it on there.

I agree that monitor technology is really falling behind though. I recently got an LG 27GN950 4K so will use that for close quarters / intense play.
After 3090 comes I'll use that for 4K long session gaming.

 

[beany_bot]

Still waiting for a 4K UW here. thats the golden resolution I think.

 

[Nexus18]

On the flip side, it always makes me laugh when people act as though gaming on a 48"+ TV is a practical solution for PC gamers, when most do their gaming at a desk and don't want to be craning their neck to see what they are playing or don't have the space to put the desk far enough back form a TV to make it practical.

Get a basic understanding of ergonomics, then come back and lets discuss how amazing PC gaming on an OLED TV is for the majority of people.

If living in the likes of a flat in London, then sure, lucky you can even get a PC desk in....

But I'm sure most people if they wanted could make the room to accommodate a 48/55" screen, wall mounting helps a ton.

Much prefer lounging back on a couch from 6+ feet away playing on a big screen than sitting upright at a desk, of course, some games like FPS still just work better when sitting at a desk with a M+K.

I cannot see this being true if comparing to the better monitors tbh.

OLED is also flawed, i would not want to spend over a grand on something that's likely to give me burn in because of a HUD in a game or something.

It's the way motion handling works, OLEDs pixels are self emissive so they allow for literally instant response as in like 0.0000001ms where as LCD pixel response varies from 1-10ms depending on the type of screen i.e. TN being the best and also, when using certain features, which allow for that 1ms response, however, it comes at a cost i.e. severely reduced brightness and other reductions, which hamper the quality of the image. Also, with OLED, the motion is "clear", with LCD, you have this trail, like ghosting especially with VA and dark scene transitions. My 144HZ screen (rated as one of the best for motion) is great when pushing FPS 90+ but as FPS takes a dive so does motion clarity where as with OLED, motion is still pretty flawless no matter what FPS, although because of how good OLED is for pixel response, stuttering is more noticeable (which is why 24fps movies appear stuttery on oled compared to LCD, LCD does a wonderful job of "masking" issues)

I been saying this for years now, only now that more people are picking up the LG 48" are they starting to notice this.

Only thing, which monitors still have over TV is the input lag, although that gap has closed considerably as well now to the point where only "pro" gamers in the likes of CS, COD etc. would notice or/and be hampered by the higher input lag.

Burn in is pretty much non-existent if you are sensible i.e. not using 100% OLED light setting for SDR on a news channel. Have had my E7 since 2017 and it has been used for all types of games, still no sign of any burn in. However, I still wouldn't take the risk for any desktop usage, which is my OLED only gets used for gaming/media and the monitor for everything else or games where M+K work better.

TBF that is its major/only flaw. The big issue is that to get a monitor which in every metric except burn in, is hugely inferior to OLED and it will still cost you two grand. I am fed up seeing £1500+ monitors with awful backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness, black crush, faded colours, poor or useless HDR etc.

And this.

 

[D3K]

This a million times over.

Give me my OLED at 1440P 60HZ over 4k/1440/144HZ LCD any day of the week, just no comparison when it comes to IQ on the whole, that and motion clarity is far superior on OLED, even at lower FPS, where as with LCD, you really need to be pushing at least 80/90 FPS to have good motion clarity. Then factor in proper HDR, not even a contest.....

Always makes me laugh the hardcore PC elite master race who spend a fortune on their PCs to get the best graphics then pair it up with crappy LCD monitors Meanwhile there's the peasant console gamers who are playing on a TV screen and they are actually the ones who are getting a visually better experience

Do you have a B9 or above?

Colour reproduction is where OLEDs completely dominate other tech. But for overall IQ? You're already scaling down from 4k to 1440p, no VRR if lower model than B9. HDR... eh ok. This is windows. It's useless.

And then of course the framerate argument which is the real dealbreaker. 60Hz go home.
Not seen a single OLED that handles motion well with all the processing turned off (turn it on and you're adding lag to the game), but happy to be convinced otherwise.

I'll take my 1440p UW any day of the week over my B6 despite how gorgeous it looks. When I move to C9/CX then TV gaming might get more attention since it solves some of the issues listed above.

 

[HEADRAT]

TBF that is its major/only flaw. The big issue is that to get a monitor which in every metric except burn in, is hugely inferior to OLED and it will still cost you two grand. I am fed up seeing £1500+ monitors with awful backlight bleed, inconsistent brightness, black crush, faded colours, poor or useless HDR etc.

^^^^ This, the monitor market needs a major "kick up the bum".

 

[rchads89]

why is everyone saying there is a big shortage of PSU's?? I just picked up a RM850x no problem, several vendors selling it at RRP. Plus loads of other choices too. Im really at a loss as to why I keep reading there is a shortage??

Well they was when i needed one about 5 week ago ended paying slightly more than normal as well. not only that rainforest place as well had no stock of anything. looked on overclockers at the time and they was budget ones only. ended up getting one from CC* computers next day only place at the time to have a RM corsair in stock and I could only get hold of 750watt in the range as well.

 

[rchads89]

Tbh I have had hard time finding a decent SFX psu in stock that has been at RRP so yeah. And for months and months there has been dozens that are out of stock and supply that does come in seems to be very low volume.

PSU prices generally seem to have risen overal.

He seems to know very different lol...

 

[Nexus18]

Do you have a B9 or above?

Colour reproduction is where OLEDs completely dominate other tech. But for overall IQ? You're already scaling down from 4k to 1440p, no VRR if lower model than B9. HDR... eh ok. This is windows. It's useless.

And then of course the framerate argument which is the real dealbreaker. Not seen a single OLED that handles motion well with all the processing turned off (turn it on and you're adding lag to the game), but happy to be convinced otherwise.

I'll take my 1440p UW any day of the week over my B6 despite how gorgeous it looks. When I move to C9/CX then TV gaming might get more attention since it solves some of the issues listed above.

Nope E7 model.

Another perk of TVs, scaling at all resolutions is fantastic unlike monitors, anything but the native res. looks horrible. In most games, I see very little difference between 1440 and 4k, largely down to me sitting 7/8 feet away and also because the games I play don't use 4k textures, of course, you need to make sure you have this set up correctly where the TV is doing the scaling and not the GPU as well as the correct aspect ratio settings so the image isn't being stretched etc.

HDR works fantastic if again, set up properly and with a GPU that fully supports it, however, it is definitely hit and miss depending on the game and their developers, assassins creed odyssey is probably the best I have seen on PC, which rivals any PS 4 games and their HDR implementation.

No adaptive sync is a bummer but I am locked at a constant 60FPS with either vsync or enhanced sync, not as good as my monitor with freesync 2 but the experience is still in another league imo.

You sure you got your TV setup correctly for PC usage? i.e. everything disabled in terms of post processing (can't speak for every model but the E7 game mode is where all the post processing effects are disabled and greyed out, which they all should be anyway, even for TV/film watching), label/input set to PC mode?

This is a great site for doing a direct comparison when setting the TV up:

https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

I noticed you're with the B6 model though, not 100% sure, but iirc, the 2016 and before models weren't great for PC.




If I get the time this week, I might make a thread for OLED and PC setup/configuration in the monitor section as it does take some adjusting to get a great experience from it.

 

[Greebo]

why is everyone saying there is a big shortage of PSU's?? I just picked up a RM850x no problem, several vendors selling it at RRP. Plus loads of other choices too. Im really at a loss as to why I keep reading there is a shortage??

well if you look on ocuk pages, once you go past 1000W, there are more PSU's out of stock than in stock.

Plenty of stock if you need 700-800W PSUs though.