AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[deuse]

So is october the date they release this NV killer or just to let people know when they will release them?

 

[TrM]

So is october the date they release this NV killer or just to let people know when they will release them?

They will probably announce a realise date around the same time as Xbox and ps5 all Rdna 2 coming out at the same time good for marketing for amd

 

[Nablaoperator]

I have a different theory. Me thinks Jensen got spooked by rDNA2. His original plan would have been a rtx 3080ti binned at approx 9000+ shader, a different core for the 3080 and no 3090 just the titan..

So I would say that the 3080 is pretty close to the ti variant but binned slightly more aggressively. The ti suffix has been purposely avoided because product mgmt wants to ensure that buyer expectations are maintained.. if you'd be selling the ti at 699 this gen, then Nvidia has a task cut out to convince buyers that future tis deserve the 999 tag.

 

[LePhuronn]

'flagship' doesnt have to be the fastest card. Flagship can mean many things, fastest, biggest, highest profile ect.

I see Uncle Jensen's spiel has worked on you. Yes, "flagship" can also mean "most important" to a company or organisation, but show me a flagship that isn't the biggest, baddest, fastest, most powerful in the real world. It's a rarity. It's also funny how the 2080 Ti, 1080 Ti, 980 Ti and all the other top SKUs were the "flagship", but suddenly that's not the case with Ampere.

 

[GAC]

So is october the date they release this NV killer or just to let people know when they will release them?

two options, we get a release date be it that day or within a week, OR and i REALLY REALL REAAAAAAAAAALLLY hope this doesn't happen but more marketing bs about final tweaks to big navi to make it the best it can be and more coming soon.

 

[LePhuronn]

I have a different theory. Me thinks Jensen got spooked by rDNA2. His original plan would have been a rtx 3080ti binned at approx 9000+ shader, a different core for the 3080 and no 3090 just the titan..

So I would say that the 3080 is pretty close to the ti variant but binned slightly more aggressively. The ti suffix has been purposely avoided because product mgmt wants to ensure that buyer expectations are maintained.. if you'd be selling the ti at 699 this gen, then Nvidia has a task cut out to convince buyers that future tis deserve the 999 tag.

This is an integral part of the bigger story.

 

[Twinz]

And a 1660Ti was worlds better than the 2080 Ti's pricing, but that means nothing since we're talking about SKU-for-SKU comparisons. If you're hinging some kind of value argument on the 2nd tier SKU costing less than the top tier SKU then you're going to fall flat on your face.

It is literally this simple:
Top RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080 Ti, £1,200+
Top RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3090, £1,400+

Nvidia have successfully raised the price again.

2nd RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080, £700
2nd RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3080, £700 (lol OK)

Nvidia have held price, but that price is a carefully crafted lie. You cannot buy, nor will you realistically ever buy, a 3080 for less than £800, and those prices are set to increase again once Nvidia rescind their (alleged) initial AIB discount. So, Nvidia have successfully raised the price again, and this time actually managed to spin desire and hype into the mix to get people interested and get sales. A not-insignificant price increase and significantly bigger customer interest? Shareholders will be very happy indeed.


I genuinely don't know how you don't see this. It is clear as day, beyond obvious.

I'm surprised people are still playing the "tier" game.

1) How much does it cost?
2) How fast is it?

That's all that matters if you're not shopping for e-peen.

1) The 3080 costs less than the 2080Ti
2) The 3080 is faster than the 2080Ti

 

[Twinz]

Prices went up last week I think maybe due to shortages (supply/demand), capacitor re-tooling or air freight shipments

One competitor had the TUF on sale at MSRP (you couldn't order it), and then a day later listed it as discontinued... a 3080 discontinued you couldn't make this stuff up

It sounds like your pricing beef is with a retailer, not Nvidia.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

So is october the date they release this NV killer or just to let people know when they will release them?

For the record: AMD have said nothing of the sort its just silly commentators in this thread (an aside to others: don't make up absurd hyperbole or it will come back to haunt you: you're just making big sticks for "the other team" to beat you over the head with later)

I have a different theory. Me thinks Jensen got spooked by rDNA2. His original plan would have been a rtx 3080ti binned at approx 9000+ shader, a different core for the 3080 and no 3090 just the titan..

So I would say that the 3080 is pretty close to the ti variant but binned slightly more aggressively. The ti suffix has been purposely avoided because product mgmt wants to ensure that buyer expectations are maintained.. if you'd be selling the ti at 699 this gen, then Nvidia has a task cut out to convince buyers that future tis deserve the 999 tag.

They're rushed out for sure, only started manufacturing a month ago? With the first new line of cards in 2 years?! They got beaten to the punch with the RX480 coming out before the GTX 1060's before and I remember Gibbo saying the RX's were selling really well they wanted to be first out of the starting gate even with an (almost) paper launch people put their money down and once they're committed some will cancel but the majority will likely stick with what they've become invested in.

It sounds like your pricing beef is with a retailer, not Nvidia.

Except all this was entirely predicted and predictable Nvidia discounted the cards to the AIB's during september, that subsidy ends in october, and who gets the blame? The AIB's and the retailers of course Nividia just quietly walks away and pockets the extra cash. Ultimate Play indeed.

 

[Twinz]

Except the 3080 replaces the 2080. The 3090 replaces the 2080Ti so it's more expensive.

Lol. The name game.

I decide what replaces what for *my PC*. A 3080 that costst less and performs better than a 2080Ti fits the bill.

 

[Twinz]

Except all this was entirely predicted and predictable Nvidia discounted the cards to the AIB's during september, that subsidy ends in october, and who gets the blame? The AIB's and the retailers of course Nividia just quietly walks away and pockets the extra cash. Ultimate Play indeed.

Where does this "subsidy" rumor come from?

I'm still seeing the MSRP here in the US. Maybe Nvidia conspired with other countries.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I have a different theory. Me thinks Jensen got spooked by rDNA2. His original plan would have been a rtx 3080ti binned at approx 9000+ shader, a different core for the 3080 and no 3090 just the titan..

So I would say that the 3080 is pretty close to the ti variant but binned slightly more aggressively. The ti suffix has been purposely avoided because product mgmt wants to ensure that buyer expectations are maintained.. if you'd be selling the ti at 699 this gen, then Nvidia has a task cut out to convince buyers that future tis deserve the 999 tag.

It's still a next gen down grade at a premium though. We know nvidia will replace these skus soon enough. Then what can they say then? 700 was still a deal?

I've read rumors that 1st gen ampere was on a limited production run a long time ago. Cant say how true that is but with no stock in sight I can't say that I completely dismiss it.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Lol. The name game.

I decide what replaces what for *my PC*.

Have you ever interacted with folks in IT? They are least bothered about hardware purchases.. they would rather prefer buying hardware while sleep walking.. names and tiers matter a lot to them.. hope that widens your perspective

 

[james.miller]

I see Uncle Jensen's spiel has worked on you. Yes, "flagship" can also mean "most important" to a company or organisation, but show me a flagship that isn't the biggest, baddest, fastest, most powerful in the real world. It's a rarity. It's also funny how the 2080 Ti, 1080 Ti, 980 Ti and all the other top SKUs were the "flagship", but suddenly that's not the case with Ampere.

Are we ignoring the titans then? Or doesn't that count for some reason?

What has nvidia got to do with the meaning of the word anyway? You seem kind of desperate to suggest nvidia are hoodwinking everyone, me included. But what exactly have I fallen for, for suggesting flagship doesn't have to mean fastest?

 

[Nablaoperator]

Any juicy leaks today?

 

[KentMan]

Any juicy leaks today?

Nada thats why we have this deluge of Nvidia talk and bickering in this thread today

 

[pooley]

Are we ignoring the titans then? Or doesn't that count for some reason?

What has nvidia got to do with the meaning of the word anyway? You seem kind of desperate to suggest nvidia are hoodwinking everyone, me included. But what exactly have I fallen for, for suggesting flagship doesn't have to mean fastest?

the term 'flagship' may be subjective but i think it is safe to say in the context of gpu's at least the vast majority of people will and have connected that term with the fastest and you saying it's not will not change that fact..

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Any juicy leaks today?

The only think I read was that some of the bios specs were leaked and its set to beat the 3080 handily. *Rumor

 

[smr]

nvidia have set the 3080 and named it as their flagship graphics card, but it's subjective? So nvidia who designed, invented and own their own product have said it's their flagship card but that's subjective? What.

 

[james.miller]

the term 'flagship' may be subjective but i think it is safe to say in the context of gpu's at least the vast majority of people will and have connected that term with the fastest and you saying it's not will not change that fact..

No, its objective. Nvidia have said the 3080 Is the flagship. So that's what it is. No subjectivity, no room for misinterpretation. You saying anything to the contrary won't change the fact you're wrong. Like LePhuronn just demonstrated by calling the 980ti and 1080ti flagships, completely ignoring the titans of the era, flagship doesn't have to mean fastest and in nvidia case nothing has changed in that respect.