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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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chroniclard said:
Given 100fps then 100% faster would be 200 fps, 200% faster would be 300 fps. Or am I messing it up....or arguing about nothing :p
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Nope, you're entirely correct. I think you misunderstood me, perhaps -- 100% faster is the same as saying 200% ... In this case, the word "faster" is an implied addition, you're ADDING 100% - 100% faster.

So for your example, 100fps... what number is 200% of that?
 
Howling said:
Nope, you're entirely correct. I think you misunderstood me, perhaps -- 100% faster is the same as saying 200% ... In this case, the word "faster" is an implied addition, you're ADDING 100% - 100% faster.

So for your example, 100fps... what number is 200% of that?
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Yup, to sum the whole thing up, on a scale where the 2080Ti is 100%, the 5700XT could be 50% on that scale, therefore the 2080Ti is 100% faster than the 5700XT or the 5700XT has 50% the performance of the 2080Ti, i.e 2080Ti at 100fps whereas the 5700XT at 50fps. A hypothetical card that is 100% faster than the 2080Ti, 200fps, would be 200% on that scale.
 
Phixsator said:
When we got no leaks/info to talk about it turns into a math contest :p
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Yes there's nothing.. its been a drought for the past few days :(
Yesterday, I read a paper that talks about 22% IPC uplift.
From an availability standpoint we only know that 5700 xt has been phased out (but there are contradictions that suggest AIB production for RX6xxx hasnt started)
If it was Rajah, we would have atleast had few dieshots by now.. not implying that it wouldve been a good thing :D
 
brightside229 said:
I thought the 3090 was the flagship card with the 3080 mid-high tier?
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It was sarcasm off the back of a big argument with others here. Nvidia are claiming the 3080 is the Ampere flagship, despite there being a bigger card available. Unfortunately, a few posters here have swallowed that marketing BS and are making price-performance and generational improvement claims based on the 3080 being the flagship.
 
Howling said:
Nope, you're entirely correct. I think you misunderstood me, perhaps -- 100% faster is the same as saying 200% ... In this case, the word "faster" is an implied addition, you're ADDING 100% - 100% faster.

So for your example, 100fps... what number is 200% of that?
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200

I just want 2x the performance of my 1080 or 100% more fps. :)
 
The only available Radeon RX 5700 XT:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £489.89 (includes shipping: £9.90)
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GTX 2070S:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £409.85 (includes shipping: £9.90)
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Performance at UHD 2160p [Averages across 23 games]:


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-eagle-oc/32.html

There are cheaper RX 5700 XT but out of stock and no information about availability.
 
LePhuronn said:
It was sarcasm off the back of a big argument with others here. Nvidia are claiming the 3080 is the Ampere flagship, despite there being a bigger card available. Unfortunately, a few posters here have swallowed that marketing BS and are making price-performance and generational improvement claims based on the 3080 being the flagship.
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The 3090 looks a lot like this generation's Titan.

The tier game is just that, a game. The 2080Ti was not the fastest Turing card. If people thought the 2080Ti was Turing's "flagship" when Nvidia sold another Turing card that was faster, then that same "logic" can be applied to the 3080 being the "flagship" even though there is another card that's turned the vram up to 11 and is a tiny bit faster in the stack....looks a lot like Turing's name game. (Just scribble out the word "Titan" and write the number "3090"in crayon.)
 
Th0nt said:
The % posts are back..
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He keep's posting TPU's 4K results over and over again knowing Navi 10 has particularly bad 4K results, because it not a 4K card, he knows this.
TPU also don't test older cards on new drivers.
 
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Techspot (Steve From hardware Unboxes) spent 2 Weeks retesting older GPU's on the latest Drivers.

2070 Super vs 5700XT: 106 / 104 = 1.019 (2%)

2080TI vs 5700XT: 141 / 104 = 1.3557 (35.6%)
3800 vs 5700XT: 171 / 104 = 1.644 (64.4%)

@4K

2070 Super vs 5700XT: 58 / 54 = 1.07 (7%)

2080TI vs 5700XT: 82 / 54 = 1.518 (52%)
3800 vs 5700XT: 108 / 54 = 2 (100%)

There is a small single figure percentage (6% i think he said) CPU bottleneck at 1440P for the 3080, 0 for the 2080TI

The 2080TI and 3080 due to memory higher capacity vs Navi 10 are more geared toward 4K
All 3 when including the 2070 Super also have better memory compression than Navi 10 which also helps toward 4K.

In raw performance the 3080 probably has about 70% more muscle at 1440P vs the 5700XT, its much better utilized at 4K. Even the 2080TI has that to a lesser extent.

A big Navi with 80 CU's, 10% higher IPC and 20% higher clocks will have the same problem at 1440P, assuming those rumours if you don't think such a Big Navi (+130%) GPU can't at least match the 3080 you're strawmanning your self.

However Big Navi may not actually be that big, it could be 72 CU's, 64, 60... whatever. it has the potential, it just depends on how big'a Big Navi AMD are willing to make.

But comparing 4K cards to 1440P cards is idiotic, its deliberately conflating the two as equal, they are not.

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Howling said:
You need some maths lessons... But I think I see where/why you're going wrong, so maybe this helps.

The 5700XT is half as fast as the 3080, so 50%. In this statement, the 3080 is the reference point.
The 3080 is 50% faster than a 5700XT -- this statement is incorrect, because you've changed the reference point to the 5700XT. The 3080 is TWICE as fast, 200% = twice.. so to get from 100% to 200% you don't add 50%...

Let's use real figures to illustrate this further;
You have 2 numbers, A=100 and B=50
50% of A = 50 (half of 100)
Add 50% to B; you get 75. (half, 50%, of 50 = 25.. add that to the base value of 50 and you get 75)
To make B equal to A, you have to add 100% to B - since 100% of B is 50, so 100%+100% or 50 + 50 = 100.

Basically, it matters what your reference point is.
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Thanks for explaining but I didnt really care anymore I've had a sleep since then. :D
 
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