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dacads said:
Not impossible I remember when LVG or whoever was in charge and the stadium wasn’t packed anymore. How can the majority of fans be happy?
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I'm pretty sure that never happened. It's nothing to do with being happy or not, there is just too much demand for our tickets for a boycott to work. If people don't buy a ST someone else just buys it.
 
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Is this boycott against the owners or to get Ole sacked? If it's the former then Utd fans have missed the boat on that. In the early years of the Glazers reign they were having to perform a high risk juggling act, constantly taking out and refinancing high interest short term loans with lots of conditions. Had Utd fans been more organised then, they could have targetted the banks and put pressure on them to not refinance these deals, effectively forcing the Glazers to sell. This was exactly what Liverpool fans done during Hicks & Gillett's ownership - we bombarded banks with letters and emails, in some cases taking down their servers and on several ocassions banks released statements just to say they were not in discussions with Hicks and in one instance a director even phoned a taxi driver in Liverpool to tell him they broke off negotiations with Hicks. Unfortunately Utd fans just wore green and gold scarves and the Glazers or the banks couldn't have cared less. Interest rates have now dropped, tv rights have gone through the roof and the Glazers have secured themselves long term finance with very little to no conditions and when that's due to be repaid, they'll have no issues refinancing that.
 
The Glazers don't care about the club at all. The only time they will actually care is when they can't use it as a cash cow. That is their strategy. Its a **** one because if they actually managed it remotely well we would be the richest club in the world and we would be one of the top clubs in the world but they simply don't care.

If they did they would put a structure in place that would ultimately save them money and result in good football on the pitch and more profit off it.
 
Just makes me laugh that they spent £110m on two players who won’t get near the first team and another two who might scrape their way in their for as much as they could have got Sancho for. Doesn’t really make sense.
 
robfosters said:
Just makes me laugh that they spent £110m on two players who won’t get near the first team and another two who might scrape their way in their for as much as they could have got Sancho for. Doesn’t really make sense.
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Sancho was far too much money in the current climate. I think United agreed and didn't think it was value for money. I don't think we will ever sign him honestly but I don't think that £110m is worth it currently. I also don't think he would magically solve our issues which is part of the reason I'm not bothered we didn't get him. We need a proper DM, we need to get rid of Pogba and sort out the manager.

6-1. vs Tottenham was embarrassing but the way we lost was the worst part. Utterly shambolic. It wasn't like Spurs even played well. They just went for the gaping holes we left everywhere in defence. We were outworked, out thought and our manager didn't change a damn thing at half time. The club is rotten at the moment. Transfers are not going to solve that on their own.
 
fez said:
Sancho was far too much money in the current climate. I think United agreed and didn't think it was value for money. I don't think we will ever sign him honestly but I don't think that £110m is worth it currently. I also don't think he would magically solve our issues which is part of the reason I'm not bothered we didn't get him. We need a proper DM, we need to get rid of Pogba and sort out the manager.

6-1. vs Tottenham was embarrassing but the way we lost was the worst part. Utterly shambolic. It wasn't like Spurs even played well. They just went for the gaping holes we left everywhere in defence. We were outworked, out thought and our manager didn't change a damn thing at half time. The club is rotten at the moment. Transfers are not going to solve that on their own.
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Humblings like we experienced on Sunday can have benefit. Ultimately if OGS is up to the job he will realise that despite fielding his supposed "best eleven" is way off and that the results in the later half of the previous season covered for a lack of cohesion and shortage in the leadership department. If he rolls out the same old plan again after the international break expecting it to just suddenly click and come good then we will have seen his limitations. he has the opportunity to step up to some of the big issues and deal with them rather than fawning to big transfer fee players who aren't earning their money.
That means (in my book at least)
- dropping Pogba and reverting to a midfield that will work as hard as any opponents they face
- removing captaincy from Maguire
- giving wan Bissaka some real competition for his place (maybe Williams can get him to step up the way he encouraged Shaw)
- demanding every player comes of the pitch exhausted because they gave everything

United need to realise that they ain't special. When they were special it was built on an attitude and work ethic allied to some genuinely talented individuals who would run through walls for the manager. If they stopped doing it - he moved them on.
OGs started ok - he cleared out Lukaku, Sanchez and started to recruit to a plan. Lets see if he has what it takes to take it on a level. He has until Christmas I reckon
 
Calpol said:
Humblings like we experienced on Sunday can have benefit. Ultimately if OGS is up to the job he will realise that despite fielding his supposed "best eleven" is way off and that the results in the later half of the previous season covered for a lack of cohesion and shortage in the leadership department. If he rolls out the same old plan again after the international break expecting it to just suddenly click and come good then we will have seen his limitations. he has the opportunity to step up to some of the big issues and deal with them rather than fawning to big transfer fee players who aren't earning their money.
That means (in my book at least)
- dropping Pogba and reverting to a midfield that will work as hard as any opponents they face
- removing captaincy from Maguire
- giving wan Bissaka some real competition for his place (maybe Williams can get him to step up the way he encouraged Shaw)
- demanding every player comes of the pitch exhausted because they gave everything

United need to realise that they ain't special. When they were special it was built on an attitude and work ethic allied to some genuinely talented individuals who would run through walls for the manager. If they stopped doing it - he moved them on.
OGs started ok - he cleared out Lukaku, Sanchez and started to recruit to a plan. Lets see if he has what it takes to take it on a level. He has until Christmas I reckon
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Your chance to take the captaincy was pre season. Why is Wan Bissaka picked over Williams? He is constantly making mistakes and offers absolutely nothing offensively. His price tag gets him in the team as it does Maguire.
 
Calpol said:
Humblings like we experienced on Sunday can have benefit. Ultimately if OGS is up to the job he will realise that despite fielding his supposed "best eleven" is way off and that the results in the later half of the previous season covered for a lack of cohesion and shortage in the leadership department. If he rolls out the same old plan again after the international break expecting it to just suddenly click and come good then we will have seen his limitations. he has the opportunity to step up to some of the big issues and deal with them rather than fawning to big transfer fee players who aren't earning their money.
That means (in my book at least)
- dropping Pogba and reverting to a midfield that will work as hard as any opponents they face
- removing captaincy from Maguire
- giving wan Bissaka some real competition for his place (maybe Williams can get him to step up the way he encouraged Shaw)
- demanding every player comes of the pitch exhausted because they gave everything

United need to realise that they ain't special. When they were special it was built on an attitude and work ethic allied to some genuinely talented individuals who would run through walls for the manager. If they stopped doing it - he moved them on.
OGs started ok - he cleared out Lukaku, Sanchez and started to recruit to a plan. Lets see if he has what it takes to take it on a level. He has until Christmas I reckon
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I think this is more what Ole needs to do rather than any tactics. He has proven that we can play decent football when the consistency is there. He has also proven he will make the decision and be ruthless. Lukaku a prime example of that. Maguire needs dropping. Captaincy needs to go to De Gea. He is our only senior Fergie player left and I think it would improve his form and he still has that fight in him. Lindelof gets unfairly dropped simply because he didn't cost 80 million yet him and Bailly were solid against Brighton.

Pogba and Fernandes cannot play in the same first 11 either. VDB, Fred and Fernandes would be far more balanced.

I also agree that AWB has been pretty awful recently so hopefully some competition and moving Williams back to his nature right back position will help. He was a beast up until lockdown.

Fergie is the best that has ever been but he surrounded himself with the best coaches and never kept players who didn't work hard or were trouble in the dressing room. RVN, Stam, Becks were all at their peaks yet shipped them out regardless. Ole just needs to be more ruthless otherwise the players will throw him under a bus.
 
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I think Maguire needs dropping but because he was 80m , any criticism seems to escape him? Funny isn’t it people lacking balls in football to make the decisions that will be beneficial

as for Pogba he should have been gone already , just a wasted space and pay cheque as it stands

@adam cool dude not sure about DDG, he made one too many mistakes for my liking last season. Like you said once players have peaked they need to be shipped. Was frustrating to see Romero rotting away and now he’s on the way out
 
dacads said:
I think Maguire needs dropping but because he was 80m , any criticism seems to escape him? Funny isn’t it people lacking balls in football to make the decisions that will be beneficial

as for Pogba he should have been gone already , just a wasted space and pay cheque as it stands

@adam cool dude not sure about DDG, he made one too many mistakes for my liking last season. Like you said once players have peaked they need to be shipped. Was frustrating to see Romero rotting away and now he’s on the way out
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DDG was on fire when he was eyeing up a new contract, once he signed, his performances has been shocking

Maguire just hasn't adapted to the way Man utd play, he did so well at Leicester and England is because he sat so deep. He just cannot handle balls over the top and players running in behind, something needs to give.
 
UCL squad announced but Greenwood and Williams are on the B list?

guess they may be called in before the deadline, to replace the likes of Lingard and Ighalo

Not sure on reasoning
 
dacads said:
UCL squad announced but Greenwood and Williams are on the B list?

guess they may be called in before the deadline, to replace the likes of Lingard and Ighalo

Not sure on reasoning
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That's normal, it was the same last year.

The B list is for players that have been at the club at least 2 years and are born before a certain date. They can play as normal and players can be registered to the B list at any point up to 24 hours before a game or something.
 
Shamikebab said:
That's normal, it was the same last year.

The B list is for players that have been at the club at least 2 years and are born before a certain date. They can play as normal and players can be registered to the B list at any point up to 24 hours before a game or something.
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Ah thanks for explaining, I had clearly misunderstood.

jones, Romero and Rojo are notable absentees though, perhaps a sign they’ll be off loaded
 
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