AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

crazy8s · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:20

I wonder if it's more sensible to buy a used 9900k and skip this gen given the cost of a new CPU, mobo and possibly RAM.

Perfect_Chaos · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:21

southernorth said:
You've chosen a terrible motherboard and a cooler that won't be able to hold a 5ghz+ overclock at good temps. Good try though I guess. Genuinely think you're a troll.

The ASUS x570's are generally regarded as good boards, like the TUF.. as they were reviewed well for their price, don't see how that means it's a "terrible motherboard"

muon · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:22

I doubt we will see 600 boards right now. People will cry when they wont be able to run DDR5 chips next gen.

humbug · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:22

4K8KW10 said:
In many applications (Office, Photoshop, Premiere, MP3 encoding, Super Pi, etc...) it will still be lagging behind Intel's CPUs - this is the reason why every single OEM and corporation uses Intel for its office PCs and notebooks.

We don't know that yet, not with these with a clock and 19% IPC jump. Its also a bit desperate that isn't it? The Bulldozer crowd could also point to a couple of edge cases and say "look beat Intel"

Steve Burke said there was no way AMD could beat Intel in Adobe Premier, until they did.... don't be so sure of yourself when reaching for those straws.

southernorth · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:28

Perfect_Chaos said:
The ASUS x570's are generally regarded as good boards, like the TUF.. as they were reviewed well for their price, don't see how that means it's a "terrible motherboard"

I know they are, I put the Asus X570 in my basket originally. The change by other poster was for the good Z490 from Asus to terrible MSI.

humbug · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:29

AMD are better than Intel now, yet they still offer better value, including the 5600X. Its unreasonable to expect AMD to continue to operate like they are the Pound World of chip makers.

@TrixP10 is right, half the people now complaining about AMD's prices are the same people who justified Intel's higher prices because they were better, and every single one of you will buy AMD's chips anyway because they are better value and you don't want Intel's rubbish.

FoxEye · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:31

opethdisciple said:
And yes at first glance the 5900x seems the best priced product strangely. Or at least without working out the maths it seemed like you was getting more cores/threads for less % additional £££.

You'll have to explain what you mean by that. By a few metrics the 5900X is the best value.

FoxEye · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:34

humbug said:
AMD are better than Intel now, yet they still offer better value, including the 5600X.

Compared to what? Because the 5600X is not better value compared to the 3000 series.

At the absolute best it's +19% perf for +25% money. At the absolute best.

And if the 5600 SKU never materializes then it's a fair to say it's a crapload *worse* value than the 3600.

cliffy · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:36

Joxeon said:
There is no chance you would get anywhere near 5ghz on all cores with ryzen, you would be lucky to get an all core of 4.4

4.4Ghz sounds about right, should still beat a 5Ghz Intel

TrixP10 · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:38

FoxEye said:
Compared to what? Because the 5600X is not better value compared to the 3000 series.

At the absolute best it's +19% perf for +25% money. At the absolute best.

And if the 5600 SKU never materializes then it's a fair to say it's a crapload *worse* value than the 3600.

hopefully, when the NDA lifts someone will compare it for you, till then -

humbug · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:46

FoxEye said:
Compared to what? Because the 5600X is not better value compared to the 3000 series.

At the absolute best it's +19% perf for +25% money. At the absolute best.

And if the 5600 SKU never materializes then it's a fair to say it's a crapload *worse* value than the 3600.

So its 6 percentage points worse value. for the best 6 core CPU on earth and still better value than Intel's equivalent.

FoxEye · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:46

TrixP10 said:
hopefully, when the NDA lifts someone will compare it for you, till then -

Don't even need to wait for reviews. The 5600X isn't going to be anywhere near +25% perf in games at 1080p or 1440p.

So it's always going to be worse value every day of the week.

RavenXXX2 · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:47

cliffy said:
4.4Ghz sounds about right, should still beat a 5Ghz Intel

5600X at 4.6ghz beats out a 9900k at 5.7GHz. :eek:

FoxEye · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:47

humbug said:
So its 6 percentage points worse value. for the best 6 core CPU on earth and still better value than Intel's equivalent.

And also worse value than the 5900X. Hey, we may be getting somewhere here at last

Hakanese · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:54

I am very interested in the benchmarks for this series of cpus, if only to bemoan picking up the 10700k.

Joxeon · 11 Oct 2020 at 12:55

humbug said:
AMD are better than Intel now, yet they still offer better value, including the 5600X. Its unreasonable to expect AMD to continue to operate like they are the Pound World of chip makers.

idc what anyone says, a 6 core for £290 is not VFM and is worse than what intel offered in the 10600k over the 3600 in gaming vs the 10600k vs the 5600X in gaming.

Journey · 11 Oct 2020 at 13:01

FoxEye said:
Don't even need to wait for reviews. The 5600X isn't going to be anywhere near +25% perf in games at 1080p or 1440p.

So it's always going to be worse value every day of the week.

For all you know if could PBO to 4.7GHz+ on one or more cores. We have no details don't make assumptions.

easyrider · 11 Oct 2020 at 13:07

Joxeon said:
idc what anyone says, a 6 core for £290 is not VFM and is worse than what intel offered in the 10600k over the 3600 in gaming vs the 10600k vs the 5600X in gaming.

Then don’t buy it.

humbug · 11 Oct 2020 at 13:07

Joxeon said:
idc what anyone says, a 6 core for £290 is not VFM and is worse than what intel offered in the 10600k over the 3600 in gaming vs the 10600k vs the 5600X in gaming.

That is true, i would compare the 5600X to the 10700K now, it will be a lot closer to the 10700K than the 10600K, actually beating the 10700K in everything but maximum thread applications. And even then its going to be a token victory to the 10700K in something like Cinebench R20 MT.

Joxeon · 11 Oct 2020 at 13:13

humbug said:
That is true, i would compare the 5600X to the 10700K now, it will be a lot closer to the 10700K than the 10600K, actually beating the 10700K in everything but maximum thread applications. And even then its going to be a token victory to the 10700K in something like Cinebench R20 MT.

I'm not so sure it will win in gaming since the higher clocked 5900X was only around 5% ahead in most titles and that was vs the stock Intel CPU.