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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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humbug said:
AMD are still filing patents for advanced cache architectures ecte..... and these are not just for GPU's.
AMD have success because they are gradually changing how a CPU is built and how it works, its what they do, they always have, its how they relentlessly beat Intel during the Athlon area. they don't always get it right, Bulldozer is also a very different architecture and i can see where they were going with it but it didn't work, however even Intel's CPU's today are basically AthlonXP's with Intel branding on them.
As long as they learned from their Bulldozer mistake CPU's will keep changing and keep getting better.
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Both companies have had the good years and the lean years.
The difference between the two in the future might be as much to do with manufacturing than design.
So the fight could be as much to do with Intel v TSMC.
Intel are getting their arse whooped right now but it wasn't that long ago when TSMC had to just about abandon a whole full node; 20nm was it!
I'd put my money on the AMD/TSMC combo though for the next 3 years or so at least.
For gaming PCs, I'm not sure that the performance difference will be significant; for CPUs anyway.
 
RBImGuy said:
That forecast is likely to be proven wrong
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There does seem to be an over optimistic outlook for ARM, many investment commentators speculating that ARM are going to take over the world in 5 years, the same commentators who said every year from 2012 on wards that AMD was going bust next year, some of them still writing articles that AMD's shares are going to collapse soon....

Mores Law is Dead had one of these analysts on once, one who admitted predicting AMD's demise and is shocked at how well they are doing right now, its not that they have something against AMD, its that they don't actually understand the market they operate in, they are actually quite a lot like Intel, they have a very oddly skewed idea about how people think when purchasing these products, they think people don't actually have their own agency, that people just follow the marketing, that people don't have the ability to understand and weigh up technical data. People just think what they are told to think.
Uneducated people, that is those who didn't go to £30.000 a year universities, are stupid sheapoles.

That is a universal disconnect between establishment elitists and real people.
 
Slightly off topic rant there... no one is saying AMD is going away. Dispute having the best product, they can’t even come close to satisfying the demand of the whole market. Hence Intel is going to continue to hold the lions share of it.

Anyway, given that 6% share for ARM is likely to come from just Apple over the next 20 months, is it that chart really far off? I don’t think so.
 
alec said:
Graph being normalised to 100% hard to tell. Could be that AMD market share will keep steadily growing, but whole market wilil grow too.
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I think AMD will keep a steady growth, going back to what i was saying before its old legacy OEMs who have these allegiances with Intel.

Many eastern OEM's who are negatively effected by these old boys club establishments and sympathize with AMD and look to build their own allegiances with them, Intel can't pay everyone off, and they stick with their old friends to continue the same sort of crap they did to AMD 10 years ago.
AMD are looking to the new world for friends, they are looking east, they will help each other outgrow the old establishment.
 
humbug said:
I think AMD will keep a steady growth, going back to what i was saying before its old legacy OEMs who have these allegiances with Intel.

Many eastern OEM's who are negatively effected by these old boys club establishments and sympathize with AMD and look to build their own allegiances with them, Intel can't pay everyone off, and they stick with their old friends to continue the same sort of crap they did to AMD 10 years ago.
AMD are looking to the new world for friends, they are looking east, they will help each other outgrow the old establishment.
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And to be frank it does help that AMD's leader is from their neck of the woods.
 
Supply of 7nm parts is increasing every month and TSMC have increased their output much faster than anticipated, with 140,000 wafers per month due the end of this year, vs less than half that before Zen2 was launched, and that was when Apple had a massive slice of the pie. 1.68m wafers per year vs <840k, and then the biggest customer using way less wafer space means AMD can eat up that much more if they are willing to pay for it. Add in a much lower defect rate, and you've got a huge ramp in AMD parts, be that GPU, APU, CPU, or other.
 
If AMD can prove long term competitiveness i predict Asus will go AMD exclusive, they will dump Intel altogether.
 
Praz94 said:
What annoys me about this chart is that Intel is red and AMD is blue :p
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I once got a lot of stick for making a map of the UK, I'd used some random colours that I thought worked quite well together but a lot of people thought it was showing the normal voting habits of each country. :p
 
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alec said:
China-Japan-South Korea-Taiwan? They just love eachother don't they?
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Look up their history. Japan isn't too popular after running around SE Asia last century. China back North Korea and have their eye on Taiwan and are up to something in the South China sea. I'd say there's an uneasy peace in the region for now.
 
I think what it's trying to say is 4000 will be attainable now but not by all (just like 3800 is).

Basically they mean 3600 is now normalised to 3800 and 3800 is now 4000.

Ofcourse I am sure Steve and other reviewers will let us know if this is indeed the case.

If you can run 4000C16 then say hello to another easy 5% improvement. Remember those AMD slides were done with 3600C16.
 
Err, let's compare the prices of DDR4 modules:|

DDR4-4000:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £108.65 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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DDR4-3600:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £73.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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DDR4-3200:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £68.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)​
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DDR4-4000 is 66.6% more expensive than the base model DDR4-3200.
DDR4-3600 is 8.3% more expensive than the base model DDR4-3200.


I am still waiting for platforms with DDR5. I am serious.
 
Troezar said:
Interesting, I thought they hadn't messed with the infinity fabric for the 5000 series? I suppose I can tweak my 3600MHz C14 RAM to 4000MHz when the time comes.
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Called it! (elsewhere though :( ).
With Renoir using the higher ram speed, I had strong suspicion we'd see an IF speed bump. Told my mate to hang in there with his 4000 sticks as no XMP was proving annoying for him :D
 
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