AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER

Ragnahex · 22 Oct 2020 at 20:19

This entire thing has become pretty hilarious to be honest. It's like nvidia are running an etsy shop. I was considering upgrading my aging gpu (not one of you 1080/2080 folks) but instead i decided to spend that money on a holiday!.... Oh damn covid scrap that....guess i'll just spend the money on really fancy chrismas decorations instead

CuriousTomCat · 22 Oct 2020 at 20:39

If Nvidia delayed the launch by 3 months to build up a huge inventory of stock, everyone would be moaning about the long wait. There's nothing Nvidia could have done to please some people.

robaylesbury · 22 Oct 2020 at 20:46

CuriousTomCat said:
If Nvidia delayed the launch by 3 months to build up a huge inventory of stock, everyone would be moaning about the long wait. There's nothing Nvidia could have done to please some people.

They could have had sufficient stock. That would have pleased almost everyone.

CuriousTomCat · 22 Oct 2020 at 20:47

robaylesbury said:
They could have had sufficient stock. That would have pleased almost everyone.

But it would have delayed the launch. People would still be unhappy about that.

Woodsta888 · 22 Oct 2020 at 20:56

Darujhistan said:
Just lolz, poor OCUK...they don't pay up front for cards, but they've got everyone's money up front for cards they can't deliver (and as DD pointed out they'll keep the gouge). The whole launch was a scam from start to finish. An NV/retailer co-ordinated cash-grab.

End of story.

All went towards a 'bung' to TSMC or Global foundries, to get some time on the 7nm process.

And to the person you replied to, the pre-orders were in the £M's

Bubo · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:08

Woodsta888 said:
And to the person you replied to, the pre-orders were in the £M's

I didn't want to make, what I thought was pretty obvious sarcasm

, too ridiculous, but if it is in the millions then it was clearly not ridiculous enough

I was burned years and years ago with this pre-order nonsense on OCUK, on a 6800 Ultra of all things which tells you how long ago this was. I personally have never dreamt of buying anything on pre-order at OCUK ever since then.

John Gregory · 22 Oct 2020 at 21:35

Has anyone received an update on their queue position? It's been almost 2 weeks for me.

holbob · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:12

CuriousTomCat said:
If Nvidia delayed the launch by 3 months to build up a huge inventory of stock, everyone would be moaning about the long wait. There's nothing Nvidia could have done to please some people.

Wow. Seriously? So now companies finish the r & d, make a few units and then have to release immediately??? Of course not. Nobody does that. Except Nvidia, who panicked because of big navi and cyberpunk. They had to get there first to maximise the biggest release of the generation.

Zeeflyboy · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:21

holbob said:
Wow. Seriously? So now companies finish the r & d, make a few units and then have to release immediately??? Of course not. Nobody does that. Except Nvidia, who panicked because of big navi and cyberpunk. They had to get there first to maximise the biggest release of the generation.

I think they had to get out before the consoles too, it would have been embarrassing for them to have a console like the XSX that comes as an entire system for $499 that trades blows with their 2080 level cards...

Darujhistan · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:40

robaylesbury said:
They could have had sufficient stock. That would have pleased almost everyone.

NV knew there was no need to have any stock, never mind sufficient stock, when they knew people would fall all over themselves to hand over money for a card they couldn't play with for months, it was common knowledge well in advance that supply would be extremely limited - did that stop people throwing money at retailers and NV? Has it stopped people even now throwing money at NV by pre-ordering even more cards that don't exist? Nope!

Incredibly, even today, with the launch a giant meme people are still paying up front to stand in a queue for a card they'll not see for six months.

NV et al absolutely p*ssing themselves - "Guys, we don't even have supply a product, or even an ETA and people will still give us the thick end of a grand"

The consumer has yet again proven themselves to have no common sense, no restraint, and to be absolutely unable to see through an absolutely blatant con.

It jus blows my mind that people are even today handing over £800 for absolutey nothing.

Roadrunner_668 · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:41

yeah i think a delayed release would have worked out much better but again they would have lost out in other areas ...

paper release is important as someone said - but this isnt doing much for their rep

CuriousTomCat · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:41

holbob said:
Wow. Seriously? So now companies finish the r & d, make a few units and then have to release immediately??? Of course not. Nobody does that. Except Nvidia, who panicked because of big navi and cyberpunk. They had to get there first to maximise the biggest release of the generation.

Scenario 1: Nvidia launches in September with limited stock. People are annoyed because they have to wait until November/December for stock.

Scenario 2: Nvidia delays launch until November/December. Now it's a perfect launch with plenty of stock. Yet people are still annoyed because they had to wait until November/December so what's the difference? What did it solve? It made nvidia look good but who cares? The people didn't get a graphics card any sooner.

Zeeflyboy · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:44

CuriousTomCat said:
Scenario 1: Nvidia launches in September with limited stock. People are annoyed because they have to wait until November/December for stock.

Scenario 2: Nvidia delays launch until November/December. Now it's a perfect launch with plenty of stock. Yet people are still annoyed because they had to wait until November/December so what's the difference? What did it solve? It made nvidia look good but who cares? The people didn't get a graphics card any sooner.

Scenario 3: Nvidia only do a launch event in late October when they were actually ready, with availability in November/December.

Darujhistan · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:45

Roadrunner_668 said:
yeah i think a delayed release would have worked out much better but again they would have lost out in other areas ...

paper release is important as someone said - but this isnt doing much for their rep

NV aren't bothered about their rep as long as the money flies in, people buy their cards whatever NV do to them - NV isn't bothered about rep, EA isn't bothered about rep, Activision ditto - AMD are incresingly not bothered either, now they're smashing the CPU market.

It doesn't matter what NV do, they have 80% market share, and as much mindshare to go with it. People are still even now, queuing up to queue for a 3080.

Hotwired · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:48

CuriousTomCat said:
Scenario 1: Nvidia launches in September with limited stock. People are annoyed because they have to wait until November/December for stock.

Scenario 2: Nvidia delays launch until November/December. Now it's a perfect launch with plenty of stock. Yet people are still annoyed because they had to wait until November/December so what's the difference? What did it solve? It made nvidia look good but who cares? The people didn't get a graphics card any sooner.

What is this angle that blames the consumer for the company's actions?

Nvidia ****** up their timings for the upcoming events and decided to blow their load early in order to badly seize all opportunities with greasy fingers.

You don't need to lie and say product is ready when it's not ready. The annoyance comes when a promise or implication is made out of massive greed and then the company fails enormously to back it up.

Roadrunner_668 · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:49

Darujhistan said:
NV aren't bothered about their rep as long as the money flies in, people buy their cards whatever NV do to them - NV isn't bothered about rep, EA isn't bothered about rep, Activision ditto - AMD are incresingly not bothered either, now they're smashing the CPU market.

It doesn't matter what NV do, they have 80% market share, and as much mindshare to go with it. People are still even now, queuing up to queue for a 3080.

i guess so

is it really 80% share ? i always thought of ati/nvidia as being fairly even

Darujhistan · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:51

Roadrunner_668 said:
i guess so

is it really 80% share ? i always thought of ati/nvidia as being fairly even

I've seen that number quoted on here many times.

Roadrunner_668 · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:55

Darujhistan said:
I've seen that number quoted on here many times.

doesnt necessarily mean a lot.

Rroff · 22 Oct 2020 at 22:59

Roadrunner_668 said:
i guess so

is it really 80% share ? i always thought of ati/nvidia as being fairly even

For desktop add-in boards it is currently around a 70/30 share nVidia/AMD at one point AMD was as low as 18% but that was a few years back now.

For the last few years it has averaged around 80/20 or thereabouts though.

Roadrunner_668 · 22 Oct 2020 at 23:00

wow i had no idea !

i always thought amd were a fairly high percentage !