Excellent video from adoredtv on Nvidia Ampere and reviewers

[TheRealDeal]

Jim, is that you?

Nah but i actually watched the full video unlike 90% of the people in here making crap up

 

[TNA]

Nah but i actually watched the full video unlike 90% of the people in here making crap up

Some seem to have an issue not with what is being said, but the way it is being said. It could be done in half the time without all the emotional stuff I guess.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Some seem to have an issue not with what is being said, but the way it is being said. It could be done in half the time without all the emotional stuff I guess.

I didn't think it was a hard watch at all tbh. It's your standard 20-30 minutes video that most do. I guess if you are going to get something off your chest you may as well get it all out and he clearly did.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

You are believing in the marketing is another point he's making.

But I'm not, I'm explicitly saying that I do not pay attention naming scheme like "Titan" or other marketing terms. What it's called literally does not matter to me. What matters is what hardware does the card have, how fast as it at a particular task, and what does it cost. Ironically he is the one falling for marketing because he's getting all bent out of shape in a semantic argument about naming conventions of titans and things like that. It's literally irrelevant to any real world questions about anything.

If you're a prosumer and you need a lot of vRAM for non-gaming tasks but you don't care about "titan drivers" then it's a good card for you.

 

[james.miller]

Nah but i actually watched the full video unlike 90% of the people in here making crap up

You clearly only took away one point from the video though, and had that have been the only point Jim had tried to make then you might be right. The 3090 not being a Titan was FAR from his "whole" point.

 

[TheRealDeal]

But I'm not, I'm explicitly saying that I do not pay attention naming scheme like "Titan" or other marketing terms. What it's called literally does not matter to me. What matters is what hardware does the card have, how fast as it at a particular task, and what does it cost. Ironically he is the one falling for marketing because he's getting all bent out of shape in a semantic argument about naming conventions of titans and things like that. It's literally irrelevant to any real world questions about anything.

If you're a prosumer and you need a lot of vRAM for non-gaming tasks but you don't care about "titan drivers" then it's a good card for you.

You clearly missed the start of the video and the point he was trying to make. People were calling him out for not comparing the 3090 to a Titan RTX. His whole point is the 3090 is not a Titan so his comparison was the 2080ti. The 3090 is the ti replacement but Nvidia skewed this by calling it Titan class. This is not rocket science and what he said is correct in my mind.

 

[TheRealDeal]

You clearly only took away one point from the video though, and had that have been the only point Jim had tried to make then you might be right. The 3090 not being a Titan was FAR from his "whole" point.

You obviously never read where i was talking about marketing but that was more to prove his point to those attacking him. He started the video showing how he was being attacked so imo his main goal was to prove them wrong.

 

[Nablaoperator]

The RTX titan is a £2500 card, the 3090 is a £1500 card. They might not use the same driver stack but who the hell cares?

If it gimps performance on some professional applications then it's no longer just semantics, is it?

 

[james.miller]

You clearly missed the start of the video and the point he was trying to make. People were calling him out for not comparing the 3090 to a Titan RTX. His whole point is the 3090 is not a Titan so his comparison was the 2080ti. The 3090 is the ti replacement but Nvidia skewed this by calling it Titan class. This is not rocket science and what he said is correct in my mind.

And this is exactly what I'm referring to. They werent just calling him out for that, they also called him out for not using a 3080 it's all there, at the start of this video that I 'clearly missed'. You're focusing on one point and decided Jim was spot on with what he said. No. He wasn't. He was right about the 3090 not being a Titan but that wasn't all he said. Please, don't tell me im the one missing key points here. Did you watch the previous video? I did. It might give you some context.

I've watched it already but it's a bit of a waffle and i dont remember most of it. But that said, I think he actually misses the point entirely when he opened with comments from subscribers on a previous video. In that video, a lot of what he talked about cantered around the cost and value of ampere as a generation. Not the 3090 or the 3080 as individual cards, but Ampere itself. And he used the 3090 to do it because, to him, thats the Ampere non-titan flagship. This is why people questioned him on not using the 3080, but then in this video he goes on to talk about why the 3090 isnt a titan rather than addressing why he ignored the 3080 entirely.

Well, the way i see it, that's two different subjects and using the 3090 as the bases of value for the entire Ampere range is disingenuous when the cost price over the 3080 is soo large. So I think the comments from viewers were entirely valid and i think Jim's being a big baby. There's also the way he when off on Linus when Linus's MCM claimed copyright on the Jim's video for reusing a part of Linus's 3090. Jim went straight for the throat without asking and made himself look like a prat doing it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Some seem to have an issue not with what is being said, but the way it is being said. It could be done in half the time without all the emotional stuff I guess.

Yeah it was dragged out actually, and he has beef, he should take a break from it. He sounds like the comedian Frankie Boyle, dunno what he looks like though.

 

[kevman]

If it gimps performance on some professional applications then it's no longer just semantics, is it?

Plus power draw is way too high for a pro card

 

[PrincessFrosty]

If it gimps performance on some professional applications then it's no longer just semantics, is it?

It depends on performance per application you care about, if the thing it is slower at is something you don't need it for then you probably don't care. And second it also depends on price. Prosumers have budgets too. Just because it's a new generation of hardware doesn't mean it can't be slower than the prior generations offering, as long as it's cheaper as well then it adds another legitimate option for prosumers.

This is why I'm saying ignore the semantics, that's just a way of people who care about semantics to wrap themselves into impossible arguments which have no real world consequence. Instead focus on how fast the card is at a particular task and what it costs. If your argument boils down to "it's not a titan" that literally means nothing. Names of things ARE marketing and marketing is used to manipulate buyers, and I've been accused of falling for marketing yet I'm the one saying, ignore the name and focus on how fast it is and what it costs.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

His whole point is the 3090 is not a Titan. There is no if's and buts. It's this gens 2080ti for more money. Titan class performance is mentioned to make people think it's something like a Titan which it is not. The 24gb Vram is part of the smoke and mirrors as its a look at this, the 3090 is a Titan class card as it has so much Vram.

You are believing in the marketing is another point he's making. Titans had special drivers for a reason and this doesn't cause its plainly a Geforce gaming card with none of the benefits a Titan has but does have 24gb vram. Nvidia got there marketing spot on but nothing will change that the 3090 is a Geforce gaming card with Vram being the only thing it has in common with a proper Titan card.

Yes exactly it doesn't have the drivers and I think it was Kaap that said its not even fully unlocked cores and the conclusion was theres still a door left open open for a "real" Titan card to appear sometime in the future maybe on 7nm tsmc but people are buying the 3090 thinking its the top dog when its likely not going to be for long - you're being suckered into believing the "titan class" marketing. Or as the video was titled, you're being misled.

Plus power draw is way too high for a pro card

The Quadro's due soon are the pro cards (48gb 7nm and lower power consumption etc)

 

[gpuerrilla]

the conclusion was theres still a door left open open for a "real" Titan card to appear sometime in the future maybe on 7nm tsmc but people are buying the 3090 thinking its the top dog when its likely not going to be for long - you're being suckered into believing the "titan class" marketing. Or as the video was titled, you're being misled.

This. ^

 

[Nablaoperator]

It depends on performance per application you care about,

You got to survey targeted users.. there might be 2 gimped apps utilised by 90% of the target market.

Otherwise it's just a general comment. We'd need some data to evaluate the validity of assertions being made here.

The Quadro's due soon are the pro cards (48gb 7nm and lower power consumption etc)

Don't know, but id say buying Quadros for non-engineering apps would not be cost effective.. I couldn't help but chuckle when marketing content creators where given Quadro workstations at my organisation

 

[Ross Thomson]

Nah but i actually watched the full video unlike 90% of the people in here making crap up

so a bit like Jim then lol

 

[chrcoluk]

It's a total load of nonsense. What differentiated the Titan class of cards from the rest of the cards wasn't a name, it was because they were prosumer cards which were aimed at people who wanted to do professional level work on them such as design, modeling and rendering, or any kind of GPGPU work, while also having a card capable of gaming. We KNOW this for a fact because the cards ship with 16-24Gb of vRAM on them where as games use a measly ~6Gb on average for 4k ultra. That extra memory was never ever useful for games, and if you're going to argue that point then just go read the "is 10Gb enough" thread to find out why you're probably wrong.

Plenty of reviewers this time around pointed out that the 3090 is NOT a gaming card, the performance gains of the GPU over the 3080 are very small, SLI is basically dead, and it's twice as expensive, so the only reason you'd buy it is either you have enough disposable income that price isn't a concern and you just want the best, or you're doing professional work on it.

Playing semantic games with words and names about what should be compared to what from gen to gen is just painfully stupid, it doesn't matter what the name is or what the marketing says, people with any brains don't buy things based on names, they review the specs and get what is appropriate for them.

It isnt, it doesnt use the titan drivers, and as a consequence its not a titan class card, when it comes to non gaming workloads, the titan drivers remove some of the artificial performance caps present on the geforce drivers, when you have reviewers calling it a titan in all but name that is misleading. Your post only proves his point, you have fell for misleading advertising (yes most of the big reviews are advertising).

It is a card in no mans land, it has a very small performance gains over the 3080 for gaming, unlike most titans who have a reasonable performance boost, and at the same time it doesnt have the non gaming benefits titan's normally has. Its only tangible benefit is if you somehow need more than 10 gig of vram, and the fact its the fastest card out there, for those who want that honour. I got no issue with people choosing to buy the card, if they want the fastest and they have the money that is their business, my issue has always been with bad reviews/advertising.

His basic point is you have misleading advertising proxied by reviewers, they do it so often, that he is questioning if its deliberate (a very valid point), and then there is a bunch of people just soaking it all up and eve to the point they spend time on the internet defending these companies as if they owe them some kind of blind loyalty. I agree with his points although as evidenced here people dont like it when someone goes against the tide, and he is been seen as some kind of ranter.

Also remember nvidia are advertising this for gaming, and gamersnexus as such reviewed it that way, they then proceeded to tell linus they consider it a card for encoders, to try and make his review come out better. Hence me saying it is in no mans land, even nvidia dont know where to place the product.

Which raises the question, how can you disagree with a mob whilst not been seen in that manner?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Unfortunately, by posting that, they have proven him right.

 

[subbytna]

I have not watched one of his vids for ages. Waffles on and gets things so wrong and like others have said, throws his toys out the pram often. It is a hobby for most of us at the end of the day and the informed like most of us know what they are buying. A 3090 is too rich for my wallet but for those who have/getting one, good stuff I say. Quitting because of reviewers? Pathetic reasoning and good riddance if that is his reasoning.

He's quitting due to the abuse he gets.

 

[Deniryer]

The Quadro's due soon are the pro cards (48gb 7nm and lower power consumption etc)

Not sure how reliable this information is but it seems to be 8nm from Samsung:

Don't know, but id say buying Quadros for non-engineering apps would not be cost effective.. I couldn't help but chuckle when marketing content creators where given Quadro workstations at my organisation

Marketing doesn't need that but there is plenty applications for designers/modelling/sculpting (even for game dev) that need a hardware accelerated view ports (which is artificially blocked even in Studio Drivers) and 24GB+ VRAM.