that the best approach ..
you have to ask yourself... if it does what you need it to do? if yes do not bother
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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you have to ask yourself... if it does what you need it to do? if yes do not bother
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What happend to the 5700XT?
Yeah, more RAM, 32GB is more useful to me right now and it could do with being better than the junk i'm running now, MB is old, Case, Phanteks Pro M is several years old and i fancy something fresh
Crap cooler, got sick of dealing with it, it lives with someone else now and i have a 2070 Super with the biggest cooler i have ever seen.
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You make some good points, problem is no-one likes paying more, so all we can do is have a grumble about it and then decide if it's worth it to us.
Thing is, if paying a bit more for the "best" was the issue, there was and still is the Ryzen 3xxx chips. Nearly as good for way less money. These are now (probably) performance leader and still compare favourably to the Intel prices of chip they beat (in fair match ups).
If you want top tier, Ryzen 5xxx, if you want nearly as good but cheaper, Ryzen 3xxx.
The 5950X while VERY pricey is intended to be more a "HEDT on the cheap" chip for where cores are useful but the extra PCIe lanes HEDT provides aren't as needed. Considering it beats Intels HEDT chips with less cores (beats the 20 core in multicore with only 16 cores), I'd consider it job done there too.
5900X is intended as the top tier "general market" chip and will compare favourably to 10900K in single core/multicore and price (with 4 more cores for added value).
That's only true for two products in the SAME generation.
We *expect* products of later generations to be significantly faster than the products of the previous generation. And we *don't* necessary expect to pay more at the same tier!
This is called "generational progress!" Have we forgotten what that looks like?
Rather off topic but, some of those things shouldn't be constantly going up though!
Personally I manage to get Broadband the same or cheaper every contract renewal,
I shop around frequently for cheaper sim only prices.
I dont have subscription TV but you can negotiate a better price come renewal exactly the same as Broadband.
Car insurance has gone down over last 5 years from shopping around every year
Gas and electric I shop around/ do community switches to keep costs down or cheaper etc.
It's looking like I can get *more* performance for the same money I spent last gen.
The only thing I'm losing is the hallowed status of "tier".
Yes, I will spend the same money as last gen and get a CPU that's faster, but I must hang my head in shame and indure the humiliation from "dropping" to a lower "tier".
Woe is me. I will shed a tear over the loss of my beloved tier.
Lol
The only thing I'm losing is the hallowed status of "tier".
Yes, I will spend the same money as last gen and get a CPU that's faster, but I must hang my head in shame and indure the humiliation from "dropping" to a lower "tier".
Woe is me. I will shed a tear over the loss of my beloved tier.
Lol
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The sale price might be $262, the RRP was on relese $299 as per the 5600x. With that I have seen the 5600x shown at £279 if you look about at moment and as said 10600k at £249.
In fairness yeah the KF is less at around £225 compared to £279. With that I'm not saying the 5600x isn't badly priced but it's not from what I've seen as far out as suggest by you in your previous post.
Also note the KF $ RRP was $289 on release too so only $10 and that's how companies price their models, not on actual sales but on the RRP.
We are just getting gouged more by AMD or Intel is taking hits. It just appears Intel is taking a hit, or retailers are or there is too much supply to the demand for the prices to drop on thr RRP by so much.
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The current RRP is $262,as that is what is stated on Intel ARK:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...0600k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html
So Intel has dropped its original RRP since launch. If you go onto Newegg in the US the price without sales tax is $260ish,which is the new RRP.
Edit!!
I just looked at the TPU Core i5 10600K review:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10600k/
They state the RRP as being $260ish,so that must have been the original RRP then?
Not sure where AMD found the extra $40!!
The Core i5 10600KF RRP is $238,so the Ryzen 5 5600X is $61 more.
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A better monitor, mouse, keyboard, desk, chair, graphics card, office fan etc are all going to be bigger contributors to how enjoyable your gaming is than agonising over how many cores your CPU has.
I don't think it's going to happen but if it ever does you'll have had amply opportunity to upgrade to several newer CPUs so why waste so much energy on what ifs now? Feel free to quote me on this in 3-4 years.
You're getting nowhere near a "generational upgrade" going from a 3700X to a 5600X.
You're getting ~the same MT perf and a bit more ST perf.
If you think that's a (proper) generational upgrade I've got some magic beans I'd like to sell you...
Single core will be a very solid upgrade. If that fits his use case, he's getting a generational upgrade as most would think of it.
In Intel terms, he's getting about 4 generations of upgrades, if you'd prefer?
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Yep, or keep one eye on the smart meter whilst his machine glows red hot at idlePMSL. He also wont need to change mobo either!
Gibbo gave a earlier in another thread and as someone quoted he had ordered thousands. Makes me think he got them. Not a surprise if some lesser French retailer has them.
As Igor's Lab said I think AMD has literally had these chips in mass production since the start of September and has been stock piling since. If they were low on stock they wouldn't have already sent stock to European retailers almost 2 weeks before launch.
earlier in another thread and as someone quoted he had ordered thousands. Makes me think he got them. Not a surprise if some lesser French retailer has them.As Igor's Lab said I think AMD has literally had these chips in mass production since the start of September and has been stock piling since. If they were low on stock they wouldn't have already sent stock to European retailers almost 2 weeks before launch.
But the *true* generational upgrade gives a solid jump in *all* metrics and use cases.
Clearly that is 3700X to 5700X.
Claiming that 3700X to 5600X is a true generational upgrade is bonkers, imho.
I hate to say it, but the clue is in the name...
That's the real **** right there... But I'm waiting on CPU and GPU to complete my build...
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Well its not really 5000 though is it if your going to be pedantic? Its 4000...
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