When will GPUs return to normal pricing....

FoxEye · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:01

Participant said:
That's just tough on 'everyone' though, isn't it? Shame people and take the moral high ground all you want, people are perfectly within their rights to exercise free will and get fleeced if they so wish. It's not incumbent on them to worry about the impact on the wider market.

It's not incumbent on us to worry about their hurt feelings if some people call them idiots for being willingly fleeced

Not that I'm condoning it, but they don't really get any sympathy from me.

There seems to be some expectation that they'll be praised instead for their buying power and being high rollers. So the rebukes are probably very galling

Gregster · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:02

Nexus18 said:
Gone are the days where top/high end GPUs like the 3080/6800xt were £500 at the very most....

When do we think we'll get back to somewhat normal pricing as with these £450 next gen consoles hitting 4k60 and similar settings to PC high, no one in their right mind would go PC now (talking just purely for gaming here)

I don't think they will. A couple of guys who I work with and who game on console have spoken about missing out on the PS5 and building a PC. I mention price and they seem almost pleased. Strange times

sprite- · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:03

GPU prices started getting out of control at high end with 1080 imo, I remember buying one on launch (MSI Gaming X) and moaning here about the disgusting amounts they had risen. Its now just worse.

Last week I got a Gigabyte 3080 Vision OC for £800, given other retailers including OCuk... I got it cheaper than what it's typically sold for. Ultimately though its absolutely ridiculous amount of money but I had little choice, isn't like AMD are pricing any differently.

Personally, I don't see prices normalising much. I think they've established a new pricing bracket that they know people will pay. They'll only drop them considerabley if demand completely drops off and I just don't see that happening, sure supply will begin to meet demand but none of these are gonna sit on shelves for months. 3080 AIBs will sit around £750-£800 for the entire gen I suspect. Unless they EOL the 3080 for the most part with launch of 3070Ti/S and 3080Ti/S, w
At which point you'll be spending £650-£700 on a slightly less power 3080 in form of a 3070Ti/S and more on a slightly more powerful 3080 in form of 3080Ti/S at £950-1000.

More realistically I think prices may drop a bit next gen, as I think it'll be one people skip (as they did with turing) because so many are upgrading finally from Pascal. Also with the amount people are outlaying on a new GPU this and next year, they'll be far less likely to do it so quickly again. So you may see a slight adjustment after launch of 4080/7800XT when sales aren't as good.

Scooby-DoobyDoo · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:13

sprite- said:
More realistically I think prices may drop a bit next gen, as I think it'll be one people skip (as they did with turing) because so many are upgrading finally from Pascal. Also with the amount people are outlaying on a new GPU this and next year, they'll be far less likely to do it so quickly again. So you may see a slight adjustment after launch of 4080/7800XT when sales aren't as good.

I agree with this bit.

There will be a lot of next gen consoles out there next year. Whilst there will always be a demand for PC gaming some may decide to move to a PS5 or Series X for some GPU intensive games. Nvidia will know that and price with that in mind.

scubes · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:16

I don’t think that’s gonna happen anytime soon .

nikoliath · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:22

FoxEye said:
It's not incumbent on us to worry about their hurt feelings if some people call them idiots for being willingly fleeced

fleeced? Not quite as there is a significant shortage, perhaps well into the next year.

pp111 · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:39

Participant said:
That's just tough on 'everyone' though, isn't it? Shame people and take the moral high ground all you want, people are perfectly within their rights to exercise free will and get fleeced if they so wish. It's not incumbent on them to worry about the impact on the wider market.

Of course. I wouldn't expect them to listen. I am not shaming anyone, I am just expressing my opinion from the opposite side of the fence. The real culprit in this is hype. People should take the time to carefully research whether the 3080 is something they actually need.

nikoliath · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:43

pp111 said:
Of course. I wouldn't expect them to listen. I am not shaming anyone, I am just expressing my opinion from the opposite side of the fence. The real culprit in this is hype. People should take the time to carefully research whether the 3080 is something they actually need.

Does it matter if someone 'actually needs' a luxury item?

willhub · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:43

It's never going to happen. The 3080 was seen as a bargain at 650 quid, so you won't ever see anything lower than that for a top end card.

FoxEye · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:45

nikoliath said:
fleeced? Not quite as there is a significant shortage, perhaps well into the next year.

Yes, fleeced.

What else would you call buying a 6800XT for >£1000, or a 6800 for £800+?

A sound purchase, a good deal?

nikoliath · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:53

FoxEye said:
Yes, fleeced.

What else would you call buying a 6800XT for >£1000, or a 6800 for £800+?

A sound purchase, a good deal?

it depends. Given that they are like hens teeth and have been since September and are likely to be until Feb, March or beyond it's not necessarily a terrible deal to get one now. Buying one for £1000 from ebay if suppliers have them in stock at MSRP would be getting fleeced.

FoxEye · 16 Dec 2020 at 13:58

nikoliath said:
it depends. Given that they are like hens teeth and have been since September and are likely to be until Feb, March or beyond it's not necessarily a terrible deal to get one now. Buying one for £1000 from ebay if suppliers have them in stock at MSRP would be getting fleeced.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Objectively it's a terrible deal in term of perf/£, at those prices (6800XT for >£1000).

Casualty01 · 16 Dec 2020 at 14:00

nikoliath said:
it depends. Given that they are like hens teeth and have been since September and are likely to be until Feb, March or beyond it's not necessarily a terrible deal to get one now. Buying one for £1000 from ebay if suppliers have them in stock at MSRP would be getting fleeced.

Never had much use for hens teeth. Anyone who doesn't actually have a need and doesn't wait for supply to even out demand, well...

I got a fantastic deal on my 1080ti three years ago amid the mining boom just as the bottom fell out of that market and I'm happy to sit with it until things come back a little closer to MSRP.

Gregster · 16 Dec 2020 at 14:05

FoxEye said:
Yes, fleeced.

What else would you call buying a 6800XT for >£1000, or a 6800 for £800+?

A sound purchase, a good deal?

I wouldn't call that fleeced and anyone paying that kind of money is rather impatient with too much spare cash. If the price was set permanently at those prices but you could get them at the original prices prior, then that is fleecing. Retailers are taking advantage of course but it is the buyer who decides of he wants to pay OTT prices or wait for prices to come back down

FoxEye · 16 Dec 2020 at 14:06

Gregster said:
I wouldn't call that fleeced and anyone paying that kind of money is rather impatient with too much spare cash. If the price was set permanently at those prices but you could get them at the original prices prior, then that is fleecing. Retailers are taking advantage of course but it is the buyer who decides of he wants to pay OTT prices or wait for prices to come back down

Erm, so what's the difference between "paying OTT prices" and "getting fleeced"?

Clearly you see those as two different things

Gregster · 16 Dec 2020 at 14:09

FoxEye said:
Erm, so what's the difference between "paying OTT prices" and "getting fleeced"?

Clearly you see those as two different things

Fair and in truth, I just see these sky high prices and can't help but feel that people are taking the pee but anyone who pays it is taking the pee out of themselves and meh lol

Thankfully, I am happy waiting this time but do sympathise with those who sold up early to help fund a new GPU.

Blackjack Davy · 16 Dec 2020 at 14:42

I'm still waiting for the 2080ti's to return to normal pricing they were overpriced at launch and they're overpriced now.

willhub said:
It's never going to happen. The 3080 was seen as a bargain at 650 quid, so you won't ever see anything lower than that for a top end card.

That and the 6800XT at £580 are the "bargain" options but they're little more than RRP placeholders so its a lottery as to you ever getting your hands on one.

EsxPaul · 16 Dec 2020 at 16:12

A possible attempt to crack down could be on it's way but I'm not so sure how this could be successfully implemented. Time may tell...

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/57862

gary996 · 16 Dec 2020 at 16:15

Besty said:
i took this shot myself and it remains untouched. this is a 3090 blower card.

the whole GPU hobby scene has hit rock bottom, we can't get much lower than these past four weeks.

You would have to be a total end of a bell to buy that

Dirk Diggler · 16 Dec 2020 at 16:42

FoxEye said:
I think you can understand the resentment if you try hard enough.

People prepared to pay that much forces the price up for the people not prepared to pay that much.

Inevitably the latter group has to choose between being forced out of the hobby as it becomes more expensive, or being forced to eat beans on toast for a year to afford a new GPU

But I'll bet AMD and nV are looking at this situation and thinking, "If we keep supply low we can have these prices all year round!"

And people who have a car you'd like to have, and people who own a house you'd like to live in? Do you resent those people too, or is it only justified with GPUs?

Do you resent the 3070 owners or is it 3080 upwards? Maybe you could abandon the PC hobby and buy a few jigsaws instead.