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3080 owners should be delighted. They've got some 90% as fast as a 3080Ti in current games for 70% of the cost (guessing obviously).
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*** NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 SERIES STOCK SITUATION - NO COMPETITOR DISCUSSION ***
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No he’s right lol, I’m a 3070 in waiting so don’t hit me with the jealous crap, they can’t make the 3080ti a big change otherwise it will supersede the 3090, it will most likely have more memory(16gb), and more rt and tensor cores, as well as maybe 500-1000 extra cuda coresDon't listen to these people. They're mainlt salty because they were first to order a 3080 and now they are salty because their card is now going to be superceded by an even better model in a matter of months
I paid £650 for my 3080 on launch day, if you think I’m salty about the Ti being released you are greatly mistaken. The Ti will be retailing for around £1000! I will stick to my 3080 with a smile on my faceDon't listen to these people. They're mainlt salty because they were first to order a 3080 and now they are salty because their card is now going to be superceded by an even better model in a matter of months
Have mixed feelings on this. Ultimately I understand that basically no OC none-oc cards have been shipped (obvs not overclockers fault) but feel that the extra price of the oc version (however small) should probably be taken into account as otherwise it makes a mockery of the extra price difference the oc people have paid.
Perhaps a solution could be to offer non-oc people the chance to pay the extra price difference (£30?) that was on offer at the time of launch. Once people had paid this, they could be moved into a seperate oc queue which could recieve a proportion of the incoming oc cards reflective of that queues size compared to the obviously much larger original oc queue. Alternatively non-oc customers could be seeded into the oc queue ,e.g randomly seed first 100 oc with 100 non-oc to create first 200 in queue). Only issue with this is that I'm not sure how oc people would feel to being bumped up in the queue. As an oc queue member myself wouldn't mind too much but thats because I'm not too high up in the queue, guessing the 600+ people for example would feel differently.
Think the assumption to make generally though is that the none-oc 3080 effectively never existed so now a solution needs to be looked at for merging the two queues together. Don't think any solution will be perfect though and will invetably cause some friction with one of the two sets of queues. Polling the community beforehand on what to do could help but that might be a naive suggestion!
Please don't hate, just throwing in my two cents into what is a tricky situation.
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Personally I think OCUK should reopen orders for all the cards and just put everyone on a pre-order list. It is deeply frustrating not even being able to order something because even if I knew I was 1000th on the list at least I would know I will get something eventually. In some ways that would also provide everyone with much greater visibility on the manufacturers shipping rates and their current inability to fulfil demand. Especially if OCUK were to publish a weekly update to the lists on their website so you could see each list by card in order number sequence. That would also expose those manufacturers who are being slowest at shipping anything and might actually spur them into action to try harder!
It's been an expensive month for IT! I ordered the HP Reverb G2 in mid Dec for end Jan delivery, doubled my RAM to 32GB of Hyperfury X. then ordered the Thrustmaster TPR rudder pedals from Holland and am hoping they will be here by the end of the week. When I do eventually get that RTX3080 it's going to be a whole new experience flying IL2 and Star Wars Squadrons in VR. I have a lead on a 3080 that might see it arrive before the end of the month.
For me it's VR that has really pushed my upgrades. Having experienced the increased immersion it offers I simply cannot go back to any flat screen monitor setup no matter how many screens or how big they are!! VR in my view is the single most important leap in computer gaming and simulation since the home computer revolution of the 1980's. The problem is that it is also immensely demanding on hardware - FS2020 is essentially unplayable on my 1080 in VR and even guys with 3080's are reporting frame rates in the high thirties with all the graphical goodies on!
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It's been an expensive month for IT! I ordered the HP Reverb G2 in mid Dec for end Jan delivery, doubled my RAM to 32GB of Hyperfury X. then ordered the Thrustmaster TPR rudder pedals from Holland and am hoping they will be here by the end of the week. When I do eventually get that RTX3080 it's going to be a whole new experience flying IL2 and Star Wars Squadrons in VR. I have a lead on a 3080 that might see it arrive before the end of the month.
For me it's VR that has really pushed my upgrades. Having experienced the increased immersion it offers I simply cannot go back to any flat screen monitor setup no matter how many screens or how big they are!! VR in my view is the single most important leap in computer gaming and simulation since the home computer revolution of the 1980's. The problem is that it is also immensely demanding on hardware - FS2020 is essentially unplayable on my 1080 in VR and even guys with 3080's are reporting frame rates in the high thirties with all the graphical goodies on!
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I paid £650 for my 3080 on launch day, if you think I’m salty about the Ti being released you are greatly mistaken. The Ti will be retailing for around £1000! I will stick to my 3080 with a smile on my face
ive always seen that 1080 to 1080ti and 2080 to 2080ti wasnt much of a performance gap, i reckon same thing with 3080 to 3080ti, probably be the same gap between 3080 to 3090 if that
and if there is salt it wont be the 2080ti to 3080 salt....
Have mixed feelings on this. Ultimately I understand that basically no OC none-oc cards have been shipped (obvs not overclockers fault) but feel that the extra price of the oc version (however small) should probably be taken into account as otherwise it makes a mockery of the extra price difference the oc people have paid.
Perhaps a solution could be to offer non-oc people the chance to pay the extra price difference (£30?) that was on offer at the time of launch. Once people had paid this, they could be moved into a seperate oc queue which could recieve a proportion of the incoming oc cards reflective of that queues size compared to the obviously much larger original oc queue. Alternatively non-oc customers could be seeded into the oc queue ,e.g randomly seed first 100 oc with 100 non-oc to create first 200 in queue). Only issue with this is that I'm not sure how oc people would feel to being bumped up in the queue. As an oc queue member myself wouldn't mind too much but thats because I'm not too high up in the queue, guessing the 600+ people for example would feel differently.
Think the assumption to make generally though is that the none-oc 3080 effectively never existed so now a solution needs to be looked at for merging the two queues together. Don't think any solution will be perfect though and will invetably cause some friction with one of the two sets of queues. Polling the community beforehand on what to do could help but that might be a naive suggestion!
Please don't hate, just throwing in my two cents into what is a tricky situation.
you can't ask people to pay more after making them wait for months on end. i'd have had my card before xmas if i ordered the OC version instead of still being 60-odd deep the queue. so if you're the sort of person who is bothered by customers who have been shafted by ASUS neglecting their model recieving some small amount of compensation by way of an upgrade (which they haven't even asked for, they just want the card they ordered), think of the extra £30 you spent as a fast pass to get you much further down the queue than you would've been.
fact is, ASUS should've produced both cards in equal volumes given the order numbers. the quality of binning gave them an opportunity to be greedy and essentially only produced the premium version, absolutely shafting half of their customers and non-OC buyers have already more than paid for this already with the extra time they've had to spend waiting. asking them to pay another £30 at this point just to get a card which actually exists would be the final insult. ASUS don't deserve another penny from these people given how they've been treated.
I think it is in extremely bad taste that NVidia are launching another variant of the Ampere range when they are just touching day 2 orders from the original launch. Presumably 3060 and 3070 cards are made from chips that cannot go to 3080 which I can understand, but 3080TI should be the same or capable chips and other critical parts like 6X memory being diverted away from people waiting from day 1 and onwards. Yes release the specs so people can make an informed decision as to whether they want to cancel and pay the mark up for a TI, but wait until current models have normalised!!
It is just another example that NVidia do not recognise the meaning of ethics and customer service and only $$$. It would be good if retailers do not place any orders from NV or AIBs until the queues are brought under control, but I expect there is more chance the moon will reverse its direction around the earth.
It is just another example that NVidia do not recognise the meaning of ethics and customer service and only $$$. It would be good if retailers do not place any orders from NV or AIBs until the queues are brought under control, but I expect there is more chance the moon will reverse its direction around the earth.
I genuinely believe the RTX3080Ti will be right inbetween the 3080 and 3090. And I don’t know about the people calling us salty, but I don’t see an upgrade worth almost double what we paid in September. But then again that’s my opinion and every is allowed their own.ive always seen that 1080 to 1080ti and 2080 to 2080ti wasnt much of a performance gap, i reckon same thing with 3080 to 3080ti, probably be the same gap between 3080 to 3090 if that
and if there is salt it wont be the 2080ti to 3080 salt....
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In my opinion Ridgey has a point. Like him i have mixed feelings as i am also an OC customer who has been waiting and im literally at front of queue so if those cards went to OC customers i wouldnt be here right now and enjoying my new build which i also got from OCUK but it is what it is. The point is tho is that their is people who are in the 0C queue who are waiting nearly as long as those in the non-OC queue but have paid that £30 or so more.
Dont get me wrong im glad for those who have received a gpu and have been freed from this purgatory. But if we end up getting into the matter of who spent what, compared to what is fair and what is not, that is a road that is gonna lead to arguments and enough salt to put everyones cholesterol through the roof.
All in all, this overall circumstance has been created by the pandemic, scalpers and some negligence on Nvidia/Asus' part which we can do nothing about unfortunately.
but the only reason you are at the front of the queue in the first place is at the expense of non-OC buyers who ASUS have absolutely shafted. that's the crux of the issue.
when the cards were advertised and sold, the sole difference between the two was a small factory overclock. not a prioritisation of stock to the point where the non-OC version barely existed.
no non-OC users are asking for an upgrade, just the redistribution of stock that has been overwhelmingly one-sided up until now. if the only way to achieve that is by them recieving the OC version then that is just an unrequested side effect of the anti-consumer balls up ASUS have made of their inventory, which up until now the OC buyers have massively benefited from by being prioritised.
when the cards were advertised and sold, the sole difference between the two was a small factory overclock. not a prioritisation of stock to the point where the non-OC version barely existed.
no non-OC users are asking for an upgrade, just the redistribution of stock that has been overwhelmingly one-sided up until now. if the only way to achieve that is by them recieving the OC version then that is just an unrequested side effect of the anti-consumer balls up ASUS have made of their inventory, which up until now the OC buyers have massively benefited from by being prioritised.
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Yet i am still waiting just like everyone else.
Yes i am lucky to be at the front. However nobody should be waiting as long as we all have.
The main point is we have all been shafted, whether you have been waiting for an ASUS OC or Non-OC, MSI, ZOTAC, Pallit whatever, why their is no point in starting a back and forth about it cus everyone involved is just gonna get more annoyed and p***ed about the matter...
Including myself as I am only human and excited for the product to get that better gaming experience
.Just like everyone else.
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For certain cards they're nowhere near clearing day 1 orders. I ordered at 5:30pm on the 17th of September and I'm queue position 289 for the Trio.
As for the 3080ti, I think it's fairly clear now that it's basically a hybrid of the 3080 and 3090, with the same cores as the 90, but with the same bus width of the 80. There's a fairly narrow margin of performance between the 3080 and 3090 as it is, and the 3080ti will of course sit somewhere in between on both performance and price. So expect a 5% - 10% uplift over the 3080, for an extra 50% msrp - so £950/999 for an FE, but up to £1200 for a strix OC... so that'll be us back to around the same as 20 series prices.
Buying a 900+ 3080 right now is probably going to be bad value against a 3080ti FE (if you can get one that is). But any 3080 on the right side of £800 is still a really good value proposition imo. As for performance, I'm currently running a 3070FE right now and I'm very impressed by it, so the 3080 definitely going to be enough for me. If the ti comes before my trio then I'll probably try and buy an FE, but otherwise I'll be sticking to my 3080 without regret.
The problem is for people like myself who want to game 4K with ultra settings and VR the 10gb vram in 3080 simply isn’t enough. 12gb would be fine but 10 simply isn’t cutting it already. I begrudge spending a £1000 on my 2080ti replacement but I just don’t seen another option at this moment in time. Sadly AMD didn’t do enough to sway me.
lool bro that got me
they aint even touching day 2 orders, im a day one order and im still waiting lol
Exactly, I payed less than £700 for a tuf non OC, price to performance that will crap all over the Ti. Those that are willing to pay through the nose for a small jump in performance or those who can simply afford it, fair enough. But to make out like 3080 buyers are making a bad move because a new model is around the corner is just nonsense, there's a range of cards for a reason.
I've even see people mention 40xx series cards which is just absurd.