When will GPUs return to normal pricing....

[FoxEye]

There are cards specifically designed and targeted for that specific use case. There are special machines for this purpose, too.
Also, the Radeons have lower performance for that, so at least these should be more regularly available in stock.

About that... seems to be very little 7nm capacity to make the damn things. AMD haven't exactly flooded the market thus far.

Not sure they can scale up GPU production whilst consoles and CPUs are the main priority.

Think AMD GPUs will be rare as hen's teeth for a good while.

 

[Gerard]

About that... seems to be very little 7nm capacity to make the damn things. AMD haven't exactly flooded the market thus far.

Not sure they can scale up GPU production whilst consoles and CPUs are the main priority.

Think AMD GPUs will be rare as hen's teeth for a good while.

Supposedly 70% of manufacturing is going to the console components. Which leaves the pc with a paltry amount by comparison. I just wonder what availability would have been like minus the pandemic and this mad need everyone suddenly has for a new gpu no matter the cost.

 

[Rikmeister]

I've just seen this. 78 GeForce RTX 3080 GPUs in ONE mining rig

Apparently makes $128,000 per year - at this rate the GPU shortage isn't going to end anytime soon.

 

[pieman109]

I've just seen this. 78 GeForce RTX 3080 GPUs in ONE mining rig

Apparently makes $128,000 per year - at this rate the GPU shortage isn't going to end anytime soon.

Thats the pic I was talking about, you reckon he got them all from Bestbuy/Microcenter at the same time? those have had to have been acquired direct from the distributors, which means supplies will have been syphoned off in large numbers to feed these businesses and that means even less for the average bloke/girl who just wants to use them for what they were originally designed for, playing games. Thats why I reckon the shortages are gonna get worse well into this year around April/May or maybe even to the back end of the summer, God forbid, I sound like a pessimist and I hope I'm wrong!

 

[Rikmeister]

Thats the pic I was talking about, you reckon he got them all from Bestbuy/Microcenter at the same time? those have had to have been acquired direct from the distributors, which means supplies will be syphoned off in large numbers to feed these businesses and that means even less for the average bloke/girl who just wants to use them for what they were originally designed for, playing games.

Well the YouTuber 'Not an Apple fan' said he got it direct from the manufacturer but I don't know where he got his info from. But is makes sense.

 

[pieman109]

Well the YouTuber 'Not an Apple fan' said he got it direct from the manufacturer but I don't know where he got his info from. But is makes sense.

yep, certainly could have seeing as they're all one brand. I reckon they could all be "at it", manufacturers, distributors, middlemen, etc

 

[Rikmeister]

yep, certainly could have seeing as they're all one brand. I reckon they could all be "at it", manufacturers, distributors, middlemen, etc

I know things are on a different scale in the US but would a Bestbuy/Microcenter have 78 of one make and model of GPU in stock at one time?

This is the article the image came from by the way (it doesn't say where he bought them from) https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7697...-mining-rig-makes-128-000-per-year/index.html

 

[chrcoluk]

As I said earlier, there is something going on thats not in the public news space, nvidia will have factories pumping out chips 24/7, yet the supply levels the retailers are getting would make you think they have just one factory working 10 hours a week. So there is either products been held back to create artificial demand and/or batches been sold to people like miners.

 

[Grim5]

About that... seems to be very little 7nm capacity to make the damn things. AMD haven't exactly flooded the market thus far.

Not sure they can scale up GPU production whilst consoles and CPUs are the main priority.

Think AMD GPUs will be rare as hen's teeth for a good while.

TSMC is currently constructing a new production facility in the US and going on a massive hiring drive, but I doubt it will help the 7nm supply issues for a while yet. In he long run it's a good idea to diversify, considering that eventually Taiwan will be taken over by China - it makes sense to get new factories up and running out of the region to minimise supply risk in the years to come

 

[Rikmeister]

As I said earlier, there is something going on thats not in the public news space, nvidia will have factories pumping out chips 24/7, yet the supply levels the retailers are getting would make you think they have just one factory working 10 hours a week. So there is either products been held back to create artificial demand and/or batches been sold to people like miners.

I don't know if the pic of the rack of 78 GPUs was an outlier but if manufacturers are selling whole palates of GPUs to miners in one go that could explain a lot

 

[WuMyster]

Ive just gone and looked at [redacted] completed listings.... and holy ****.

I sold my 1070 in September for £185 the day after I picked my new card up. Thinking that prices would crash come December and the 3060 came out. How wrong we all were this year. No easy shuffles!


To answer the overall topic question; I've picked cards up in the past when the mining booms ended and used cards flooded. Eg. I picked up 2 second hand AMD 3970s after the first bitcoin boom ended for 1/3 of their retail cost 18 months prior.
So perhaps in 3-6 ish months after this current Etherium craze dies down?

I bought a 2060 in March for lockdown temporarily until I got a 3080 and obviously 3+ months later I still don't have one. Checked eBay and my 2060 is selling for more than what I paid for it... insanity.

 

[Darujhistan]

I can't see things improving any time soon, pretty glad I bit the bullet and bought a 3060ti at the beginning of last month. I hope that rig blows up, it just shows the insanity of capitalism that a totally useless endeavour that does nothing to improve anyone's life while destroying natural resources is a) Legal and b) More profitable than producing something worthwhile or working for a living, while re-purposing a tool which in turn ruins people's enjoyment of their hobby.

Whatever next...

 

[Rikmeister]

I bought a 2060 in March for lockdown temporarily until I got a 3080 and obviously 3+ months later I still don't have one. Checked eBay and my 2060 is selling for more than what I paid for it... insanity.

I've seen cards on ebay for more than retail price. I didn't check to see if retail products were actually in stock but it's quite possible people in desperation get carried away and overbid.

 

[RBImGuy]

Current timeframe is April and onwards.
Console, cpu and gpu in that order for amd so not until late spring before supply is even there.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Apparently makes $128,000 per year - at this rate the GPU shortage isn't going to end anytime soon.

If the crypto market crashes again it might sort things out. The sort of meteoric 10x rise that's happened in the last few months usually gets followed by a multi-year crash during which the only people who can make money at it are those that get free electricity, usually in China. It's a ll cyclical.

 

[Rikmeister]

Current timeframe is April and onwards.
Console, cpu and gpu in that order for amd so not until late spring before supply is even there.

That's more or less my hunch but do you have something more solid than a hunch for your timeframe?

 

[Troezar]

I can't see things improving any time soon, pretty glad I bit the bullet and bought a 3060ti at the beginning of last month. I hope that rig blows up, it just shows the insanity of capitalism that a totally useless endeavour that does nothing to improve anyone's life while destroying natural resources is a) Legal and b) More profitable than producing something worthwhile or working for a living, while re-purposing a tool which in turn ruins people's enjoyment of their hobby.

Whatever next...

I'm not sure those people with $30,000 bitcoins will agree it hasn't improved their life

 

[RBImGuy]

That's more or less my hunch but do you have something more solid than a hunch for your timeframe?

3 months to ramp up wafers.
One customer gave wafers so amd could allocate more as they went with another node during spring.
Consoles atm is in dire need of more chips.
and since 80% atm goes to console, april seems like the target.
Ryzen and amd is just selling anything they make atm.
and then we have servers also that they want first and foremost.
then threadrippers.
gpu is the last I suspect to get ramped to a level to meet demand.

 

[Darujhistan]

I'm not sure those people with $30,000 bitcoins will agree it hasn't improved their life

True, but it's implied those people are accounted for in the phrase "the insanity of capitalism".

 

[Rikmeister]

If the crypto market crashes again it might sort things out. The sort of meteoric 10x rise that's happened in the last few months usually gets followed by a multi-year crash during which the only people who can make money at it are those that get free electricity, usually in China. It's a ll cyclical.

Bitcoin can feel like a confidence trick but putting your money in Bitcoin might seem to some like a better bet than, say, keeping it in Sterling which is at the mercy of Brexit and the economic consequences of the pandemic.