So, about that Mercedes slippy-slidey video then...

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No, not putting it in the Youtube thread as there's a lot more to unpack here than the usual.

Here's the vid:


Interested to hear peoples' opinions on this. People on the Merc forums are defending the guy saying he did nothing wrong. Others are saying that the VW driver is to blame, whereas loads of people are blaming the SMART for her crap parking, which may not have been intentional as some are saying that she also started sliding and that was the safest option which certainly holds water.

For me it's rather simple: This incident, and many like it, are the result of cars being so safe nowadays. People don't have as many brown-trouser moments as we did in ye' olde' days of yore as cars are stuffed with safety nets, so when things get precarious, people think that their car will save them when in reality no amount of electrickery can stop rubber sliding on ice like this. People continue their driving and this is what happens.

What do you do to stop it then? Personally, this would never happen to me because I learned these lessons the hard way by a) delivering pizzas on a moped in these conditions as a kid, b) tearing half the front subframe off a works' van by thinking I could outsmart mother nature in an antique car and c) being sent on an ice-driving course as a result, which was quite possibly the best lesson I've ever had in a car.

Any other takes?
 
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Looks like the merc was for sure going to fast, especially if they knew the road. Why was the VW on the wrong side of the road though? Did they see the merc coming up too fast?

The Smart should've risked moving, for sure. Stupid place to pull over, if they didn't want to turn around it should've at least been on the pavement.
 
Far too fast for the conditions. I'm assuming the VW went on the other side of the road as it looked safer? And if that was the case, why undertake at a decent bit of speed, in the snow?

The Smart cars crap parking has nothing to do with it really. Not sure I crash in to every bad parker I see? I use my eyes and just go round.
 
Looked like the Merc sped up a bit to try and get ahead of the VW (few frames at the start of the video before going onto the downwards bit).

A trait I'm really getting fed up of with how many people just seem to press on and look for every gap regardless of the weather even if it makes things difficult for other drivers.

Like this one from awhile back - total knobs and if I hadn't been checking my mirrors might have pulled out into one of them (though I was stopping to let the other driver through who had right of way)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Mu2ggKcZ4
 
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Merc was in the right IMO. VW was in the wrong lane, caused the Merc to try and squeeze through hence the accident.

Merc should've still been going slower and reading the VW as a hazard (I assume the Merc thought the VW was trying to park or whatever) and carried on as normal. But yeah you could be right, the Merc might not had to move so fast if that was the case.
 
Merc was in the right IMO. VW was in the wrong lane, caused the Merc to try and squeeze through hence the accident.

The accident wouldn't have happened if the Merc hadn't attempted to get past the VW. The VW was offsiding to avoid ploughing into the smart car incase they lost control. Smart car and the car infront likely pulled over because it was too dangerous.
 
Merc was in the right IMO. VW was in the wrong lane, caused the Merc to try and squeeze through hence the accident.

Caused? At gun point? If you see someone doing something odd/stupid, squeezing through a gap next to them is a very silly idea. The Merc driver took a bad decision and caused an accident. No-one "caused" the driver to do anything.
 
At approx. 5 seconds you can see the Merc hasten once the VW is clear of the lane, sadly them camera pans away, in a manner that isn't just resuming with the assumption the VW was pulling over - they blatantly tried to get ahead of it.

In conditions like that any sensible driver would go easy and expect the VW to possibly do something unexpected.
 
i saw that video doing the rounds yesterday

the car on the wrong side of the road was avoiding the stopped car and driving to the conditions, the car parked too close to the island, i assume stopped there "because of the conditions" not intentionally to actually park there, the other car was just driving to fast for the conditions of the road and could not stop with summer tyres on
 
How do we know the merc was speeding? looks like it was just not able to stop... we dont see it sliding but then again maybe he/she stopped on the brakes as they were sliding etc... merc is doing nothing wrong really just bad conditions and unfortunate the smart car was there. Im thinking once the brow of the hill was passed it was all downhill from there... pardon the pun.
Heavy car and very icy/snowy and hill.... only one thing going to happen and thats an expensive toboggan run !
I live on a bit of a hill and in these conditions i either don't try or i park away from home and walk.
 
How do we know the merc was speeding? looks like it was just not able to stop... we dont see it sliding but then again maybe he/she stopped on the brakes as they were sliding etc... merc is doing nothing wrong really just bad conditions and unfortunate the smart car was there. Im thinking once the brow of the hill was passed it was all downhill from there... pardon the pun.
Heavy car and very icy/snowy and hill.... only one thing going to happen and thats an expensive toboggan run !
I live on a bit of a hill and in these conditions i either don't try or i park away from home and walk.

ah good point
 
Worth watching this one as well:

https://twitter.com/Jason_MVM/status/1353390478247538688

IMO people should have been trying to make drivers more aware of the hazard, etc. the camera guy almost seems gleeful.

How do we know the merc was speeding? looks like it was just not able to stop... we dont see it sliding but then again maybe he/she stopped on the brakes as they were sliding etc... merc is doing nothing wrong really just bad conditions and unfortunate the smart car was there. Im thinking once the brow of the hill was passed it was all downhill from there... pardon the pun.
Heavy car and very icy/snowy and hill.... only one thing going to happen and thats an expensive toboggan run !
I live on a bit of a hill and in these conditions i either don't try or i park away from home and walk.

Video above shows a slightly different perspective - also Merc definitely hastens near the start of the video as the camera pans away while can't be certain it is almost certainly with the intention of getting ahead of the VW when looking at the fuller picture.
 
Looked like the Merc sped up a bit to try and get ahead of the VW (few frames at the start of the video before going onto the downwards bit).

A trait I'm really getting fed up of with how many people just seem to press on and look for every gap regardless of the weather even if it makes things difficult for other drivers.

Like this one from awhile back - total knobs and if I hadn't been checking my mirrors might have pulled out into one of them (though I was stopping to let the other driver through who had right of way)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Mu2ggKcZ4
Not sure what point you are proving here but I'd say you were in the wrong for this one. Looks like there was only 2 cars behind you, too. Why did you hang around for so long? :p
 
The Smart car driver seems to have pulled over at the top of a hill and parked due to the conditions. The person filming even comments that she shouldn't risk moving. But she should have parked a little further forward or onto the pavement to allow cars to pass more safely.

The VW was on the wrong side of the road as the only option to get past the Smart car safely.

The Merc came from behind, undertook the VW at a speed not suitable for the conditions and was a bell end.
 
Yep, they were always going to crash at that speed. But that smart car is stupidly parked.

Luckily no one was standing behind one of the cars they hit. I wonder if they will end up also getting done for dangerous driving.
 
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Not sure what point you are proving here but I'd say you were in the wrong for this one. Looks like there was only 2 cars behind you, too. Why did you hang around for so long? :p

There was a whole string of cars behind me - had been slowing moving traffic each way for the last 2-3 miles.

Wish I had a rear dashcam as well - the Rav4 was already coming around me at around 27 or 28 seconds or so - I'd been planning on letting the other driver through any way but if I hadn't and hadn't been watching my rear view I'd have crushed him into the railings! total idiot of a driver as well as impatient.
 
Actually could cars being automatics nowadays contribute to it? I still drive manuals and woul have been in a very low gear to get engine braking. But presumably an auto would be in a higher gear and just pick up speed on the icy incline? You can put it in a low gear yourself but many people wouldn't think of it.
 
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