Just been given my 1st Section 59 For Going over 3k revs?

ShiWarrior said:
Section 59
Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police constables and police community support officers (PCSOs) to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer / PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[5]

  • causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public,
  • and:
Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[5] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also reasonably believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months - whether or not recorded on the Police National Computer or similar system, they can seize the vehicle immediately.
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Seems like he ignored everything after the and. Can't see how accelerating on to a dual carriage way meets that criteria.
 
WoodyUK said:
You won't find much helpful advice here unfortunately. For a Motors section there is an odd number of regulars that bizarrely share the opinion that speed = child killing and going anywhere near the redline must correlate with driving dangerously or is worthy of an S59.

Unfortunately S.59's can be issued for excessive acceleration because they've got nothing else to throw at you and if the constable doesn't know cars then loud / pops are often associated with speed.

No point arguing with it unless you want to make a point and have money and time to burn.
Should your car be seized upon receiving a second S59 then the costs would still be less than seeking legal advice to have a S59 rescinded - of which there isn't a set process.
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Thanks for the input agree with your points, much appreciated. Do you know if I will get stopped more often now I have a S59 marker on my car? Or is that folklore
 
Were you cheeky about refuting the 55 in a 40 accusation?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming everything you say is accurate, I’d guess he probably didn’t like your attitude and just scrabbled around to find something to throw at you.

I must admit it’s not something I’ve come across before but it seems crazy to me that you can be issued something unilaterally by an individual police officer with no obvious or realistic recourse for appealing it... Where’s the accountability in that system? Even the most ardent lover of the police must admit there are going to be a few that get it wrong every now and again.
 
wesley said:
Do standard A45 make crackling and pop?
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Depends. In comfort mode with stock exhaust no

faffing about with modes and with the merc sports exhaust it’s a noisy poppy fatty thing even at low speeds.

my money is on the op giving it stick off the roundabout in full on yobbo settings holding the revs manually for extra pops bangs and cracks etc plod clocks him acting like this can’t get a effective speed reading to do him for speeding so hands out a s59 instead.


But op you can appeal a s59 directly with the chief constable fire a short factual letter off regarding the matter it costs you nothing and be aware the s59 doesn’t mean your car will be crushed only removed from the locality ie siezed but you would get it back
 
Just out of interest what type of police officer was it? A traffic officer or a PC in a astra or something?

I've had a section 59 years ago for something similar but I'd imagine at a much much slower rate and with some utterly pathetic wheel spin (I'm talking about a N reg 1.4 Seat ibiza here, all the power!)

I was stupid for a few years when I first got my licence and I've been pulled over many times, typically I find traffic officers don't throw things like section 59's about unless you are bang to rights, but pc plod is more than happy to on a whim.
 
Ninco! said:
Seen a few Tesla drivers rocket from lights, wonder if they would be booked if a similar situation?
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It is all in the context I guess. The car in question didn't help. It attracts attention from the plod.

I have been stopped once before in a similar fashion but it was 11PM and I was going home from work. I booted it off a roundabout up to an indicated 65 as that's what I had cruise set too. Diesel Astra pulls me over with the whole (We had to do 80 to catch you nonsence). I thought to myself of course a diesel Astra full of plod gear has no chance of accelerating as fast as a nigh on 300HP Saab but I just kept my mouth shut and told them I had cruise set to 60 and could show them. They just checked my licence and let me on my way.
 
adam cool dude said:
It is all in the context I guess. The car in question didn't help. It attracts attention from the plod.

I have been stopped once before in a similar fashion but it was 11PM and I was going home from work. I booted it off a roundabout up to an indicated 65 as that's what I had cruise set too. Diesel Astra pulls me over with the whole (We had to do 80 to catch you nonsence).
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They love that one lol

I had one tell me I must have been doing 50mph because he was doing 50mph to catch me up....

Traffic officers just show you the display and what speed they got you at.

As above, I hated getting pulled over by pc plod.
 
It's honestly laughable how many members here jump to the "OP IS A WRONG'UN" narrative than actually believing an alternative reality containing some overzealous bad apple police do exist.
If this was a boring old jag by one of the regulars starting this thread it would be entirely different.
The opening message says it all
"He states "I have pulled you over because you were doing 55 in a 40"
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I've had the same "You were doing 90 in a 70" when I was on cruise control on the speed limit the entire time in a boring old 1.0 Skoda Octavia. The tune quickly changed when I pointed out I had a dashcam with GPS to prove my speed if necessary. The conversation ended with the officer being "on the verge of a S.59" and doing a full walk-around inspection of a brand new car with a few K miles on that resulted in "you're tyres are a bit soft, are you maintaining your vehicle?". His more polite colleague even mouthed a "sorry".
 
Squidward said:
Hey, hope everyone is well.

Long story short I was just on the way home from the supermarket, at a set of lights on to a empty dual carriage way I accelerated rapidly to the speed limit (40mph), must have hit 5.5k revs tops.

Do I have any comeback from this? How exactly can I be given a section 59 for accelerating on to a empty dual carriage way, all because my exhaust crackles and pops from factory?

Interested to hear thoughts.

Thanks all

Edit: Car is a A45 AMG
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What time was it?

No come backs, the cars been marked with an ASBO in a nutshell, and you received the S59 as it was probably enough to be considered a nuisance.

Any one familiar with the inner London roads might know of a PSPO Zone:

Antisocial behaviour (ASB) from vehicles Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) in Knightsbridge
The Order
The activities described below are hereby prohibited between the hours of 12 noon and 6am in the location described in the below map of this Order. Anyone being the driver of a vehicle (motorised or otherwise) must not perform any of the following activities:

  • Revving of engine(s) (as to cause a public nuisance)
  • Repeated sudden and rapid acceleration (as to cause a public nuisance)
  • Racing
  • Performing stunts (as to cause a public nuisance)
  • Sounding horns (as to cause a public nuisance)
  • Playing music from a vehicle (as to cause a public nuisance)
  • Using threatening, intimidating behaviour towards another person
  • Causing obstruction on a public highway, whether moving or stationary, including driving in convoy
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So I suspect your driving came under one of the above.
 
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It's the sort of thing that puts you off having sporty cars.
Like someone else in here I've had rotary cars, they don't move unless you rev the nuts off them, and they're fairly loud at 10,000rpm.
I've only ever been pulled once by a traffic cop thankfully for swerving oddly after leaving the pub.
No drinks but I did have 30 profile tyres on diamond cut wheels so was avoiding the pot holes. We had a good chat for 30 minutes and off he went.
I'd have argued with them over this, you have a right to not agree with them.
 
I got pulled over 20 odd years ago for this exact same thing, except my car was cool, a 16V Big Bumper Mark II Golf.

Policeman - "What on earth were you just doing?"
Me - "Er, honestly? Being a bit of a ****, sorry."
Policeman - "Yes, yes you were, and if i see you being any amount of a **** in future you'll be in trouble, now on your way."
 
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Squidward said:
There is not more to the story unfortunately. The officer stated it was due to the revs and crackling and pops. Thank you for the input.
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2 things come to mind, bored policeman or an envious one tbh

Me brother has had all sorts of stupid mods on his cars including a screamer pipe that sounded like a rather loud shotgun. He's been drinking for I think about 16 year and he's had one parking ticket and a s59.

The s59 was given to him for drinking through he retail park and his dump valve going off

Can a s59 be disputed at all?

Surely if he's happy to give you the s59 there has to be some kind or proof, cam on his car? I'd also be asking where the arbitrary 3k rpm comment came from, stinks of him knowing the car and not having one tbh

What's Antosocial when we're not allowed to be social lol
 
WoodyUK said:
I've had the same "You were doing 90 in a 70" when I was on cruise control on the speed limit the entire time in a boring old 1.0 Skoda Octavia. The tune quickly changed when I pointed out I had a dashcam with GPS to prove my speed if necessary. The conversation ended with the officer being "on the verge of a S.59" and doing a full walk-around inspection of a brand new car with a few K miles on that resulted in "you're tyres are a bit soft, are you maintaining your vehicle?". His more polite colleague even mouthed a "sorry".
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Haha I had that once before where he went around my whole car checking tyres. (I had recently had brand new Goodyear eagles put on) I pointed out to him that my car is known for its rear bushes going and causing wear on the inside tyres. You better check the rear tyres and not the fronts. He said thanks and proceeded to get on his hands an knees and check the rears. At least I got his trousers dirty :p

My Celica is proper loud. Well as loud as a cat less 3" straight through can be, pops flames on the overrun and screams like a freight train when braking yet haven't been pulled over once.
 
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