todays price hike on 30 series stuff?

[gpuerrilla]

Precisely. I love a desktop anyday, been using one since the late nineties. Not a fan of laptops but I have one for work. Lets be honest, since the consoles offered a media player interface they have only got better each gen. The one strand of argument was 'but keyboard/mouse'.. I thought they offer this now in PS5/XBSX?

 

[andybird123]

No but my phone can. This argument doesn't really stand anymore. You can by a mini PC for buttons that will do all of that, you can buy basic laptops new or second hand extremely cheap that will do all of that. The fact is the components needed for gaming on a PC are ludicrously expensive compared to the new consoles so if you want to game a console is the obvious choice.

Getting hold of GPU's is currently tricky, but it will blow over, there's no need to take drastic action like buying a console to play what they laughingly call "games". Its like saying you're so fed up of PC parts prices you are going to live like a hermit, in a ditch, with an owl.

Just because I can't get hold of a 3080 doesn't mean my 2080ti has suddenly stopped working.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Can you web browse on them with a keyboard and mouse attached? Can they run stuff like zoom and ms teams with a usb camera? If so then looks like console it is

Also, what the point was in my statement, for years now they are the same components that make up a regular PC inside them. If you really wanted you can likely install an OS like windows/linux on it and it will run just fine, and there you have it a PC box for £500. You will not be able to match the spec of it via custom building and shops yourself!

 

[JediFragger]

until it all blows over.

Winchester Arms Sir?

 

[Relentless81]

Getting hold of GPU's is currently tricky, but it will blow over, there's no need to take drastic action like buying a console to play what they laughingly call "games". Its like saying you're so fed up of PC parts prices you are going to live like a hermit, in a ditch, with an owl.

Just because I can't get hold of a 3080 doesn't mean my 2080ti has suddenly stopped working.

Even before 2021's mining boom there were stock and scalping issues causing high prices, mining has just added to the issue. Even before that, before the launch of the new consoles people were excited that the new 3080 was "just" £650 accepting that as cheap for a GPU. Even before Covid costs were rising. Back in 2017/2018 during the first big mining boom GPU's went through the roof.

When I can build a gaming PC as powerful as an Xbox or PS5 I'll consider it again if the performance is there relative to the cost (happy to more for more performance) As of right now your paying an absolutely insane premium for what? Ported games? Because if not the multi platform triple A titles and we're talking games exclusive to Steam then these are generally games that dont need powerful hardware.

It probably will blow over, but it'll blow back again in terms of mining and despite mining the costs were ever increasing anyway. I've been gaming on a PC for 27 years, a year ago I would never have thought I wouldnt be without a PC and gaming on a console, fast toward to today and I honestly feel like I'm enjoying gaming again and I've never been so impress with a gaming hardware purchase it really is impressive for such a tiny little box, I honestly dont know what impresses me more, the performance, the complete silence, the fact everything is contained in one tiny box that cost so little compared to a desktop GPU, the list goes on

 

[andybird123]

Even before 2021's mining boom there were stock and scalping issues causing high prices, mining has just added to the issue. Even before that, before the launch of the new consoles people were excited that the new 3080 was "just" £650 accepting that as cheap for a GPU. Even before Covid costs were rising. Back in 2017/2018 during the first big mining boom GPU's went through the roof.

When I can build a gaming PC as powerful as an Xbox or PS5 I'll consider it again if the performance is there relative to the cost (happy to more for more performance) As of right now your paying an absolutely insane premium for what? Ported games? Because if not the multi platform triple A titles and we're talking games exclusive to Steam then these are generally games that dont need powerful hardware.

It probably will blow over, but it'll blow back again in terms of mining and despite mining the costs were ever increasing anyway. I've been gaming on a PC for 27 years, a year ago I would never have thought I wouldnt be without a PC and gaming on a console, fast toward to today and I honestly feel like I'm enjoying gaming again and I've never been so impress with a gaming hardware purchase it really is impressive for such a tiny little box, I honestly dont know what impresses me more, the performance, the complete silence, the fact everything is contained in one tiny box that cost so little compared to a desktop GPU, the list goes on

I had a ping yesterday on a 3080 for £750, I only missed it as I was cooking dinner at the time, but I'm quite happy to wait for another one at that price range, the people paying the scalper (and I mean the retailers getting in on it too) prices are mad imo.

 

[Doobedoo]

Winchester Arms Sir?

A zombie apocalypse would be much more fun. Funny enough I’ve been playing State of Decay 2 quite a lot recently.

 

[XeNoNF50]

A lot of the warranties on gamer cards do not cover mining. Of course you could lie your ass off

Besides aren't most of them 2 years these days?

I'd be surprised if any mention mining in their warranties. I checked NV site for the FE's and absolutely no mention there. Also no real way to tell it's been mined on. You can't really penalise someone for actually using the hardware!

I'd assume the convo for most people with the manufacturer will go something like "My GPU is not working" "Ok send it in to us" "Yes you are right it's not working here have a new GPU."

 

[-Ad-]

I'd be surprised if any mention mining in their warranties. I checked NV site for the FE's and absolutely no mention there. Also no real way to tell it's been mined on. You can't really penalise someone for actually using the hardware!

I'd assume the convo for most people with the manufacturer will go something like "My GPU is not working" "Ok send it in to us" "Yes you are right it's not working here have a new GPU."

Exactly this. If the shop and manufacturer start playing silly games then you have your consumer rights and a credit card company to deal with you.

In other news, your new car warranty is void if you only drive on the Motorway at 70mph and your TV warranty is void if you leave it on 24/7

 

[Richdog]

It's fine if you mainly play the latest AAA games and not much else, but I could never go back to console myself. Your choices are just so limited. I can go from playing World of Warcraft to Cyberpunk 2077 to Super Mario Odyssey via Yuzu to a random old game from 15 years ago that I suddenly felt like playing (which was FlatOut 2 today) with just a few clicks on PC. There are so few massive console exclusives these days either, with everything Microsoft do coming to PC and even Sony starting to port things over. The current hardware situation sucks, but as a platform it's just so far ahead of the console walled gardens for me.

Yeah then there is all the modding, etc. and I still don't find the keyboard and mouse experience on console even remotely close to PC.

This is the reason I could never give up PC gaming... there is simply nothing to replace it and the rich modding scene that underpins it. It is unique in its scale.

Not to mention you save a TON of money on games by buying keys from key stores 6-12 months after release, and older games are often a pittance. On top of that, there are so many PC games that give so many hundreds of hours of joy.

Consoles are good, but they are not comparable in terms of what you can do with them or the sheer variety of games available that can then be modded for years. Apples and oranges.

 

[Wulfster]

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Do you need a fancy pc to do any of that?.

yes because your not gonna get ps5 level of gaming on your equivalent price pc. but if console can do the pc side of stuff then pc no longer needed.

 

[Doobedoo]

yes because your not gonna get ps5 level of gaming on your equivalent price pc. but if console can do the pc side of stuff then pc no longer needed.

I would hedge a bet that on a pc forum pretty much everybody owns a pc or laptop capable of doing what you stated. If you want something that can also run the latest games at 4K resolution you have no choice but to pay current prices. A console will also allow you to play games but at cheaper price but you will need some kind of pc to do the other things you want.

It is what it is. Pay up or shut up is kind of blunt but what else can be said.

 

[Richdog]

I would hedge a bet that on a pc forum pretty much everybody owns a pc or laptop capable of doing what you stated. If you want something that can also run the latest games at 4K resolution you have no choice but to pay current prices. A console will also allow you to play games but at cheaper price but you will need some kind of pc to the other things you want.

It is what it is. Pay up or shut up is kind of blunt but what else can be said.

Basically this.

 

[Minimalistic23]

The thing with consoles is that they stick to their MRSP. You don’t get Sony or Argos turning round increasing the Price of a PS5 because demand is high, whereas GPUs seems to be a free for all at the moment, including retailers.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

worse are the retailers that take crypto currency as payment adding fuel to the fire.

 

[ScottiB]

Gibbo / Scott has already mentioned that the cost price to OCUK was above MSRP for the 3060, so OCUK are skipping out for now:

Gibbo was right about the 3060 pricing, our cost price on the second batch is already $30-40 higher & that's in the matter of ten days.

Frankly, we're both sick of it. He's mostly sick about having to constantly change pricing but for me the biggest irritation is being blamed for the hikes. For 3090 our cost prices have gone up by hundreds of pounds since launch. We can't exactly NOT pass that on, we already are losing money on cards & systems ordered early on because we are doing what we can to honour purchase prices even if our partners aren't.

Gibbo's moaning at Nvidia but I'm not sure that there's anything that they can legally do if the board partners want to make more money on a limited supply product. Some are worse than others so we can tell that it's not purely a manufacturing cost increase.

Usually, a typical Nvidia card price breaks down as 50-70% profit for Nvidia (their financial statements are public if you wish to check), 10-20% for the board partner, 5-10% for the distributor, 5-12% for the reseller.
It's fair to say that nobody is sticking to that at the moment but the resellers are definitely not responsible for the majority of the price moves.

 

[Doobedoo]

The thing with consoles is that they stick to their MRSP. You don’t get Sony or Argos turning round increasing the Price of a PS5 because demand is high, whereas GPUs seems to be a free for all at the moment, including retailers.

They are also subject to all these different price rises that the pc industry is facing but yet they have held fast in their decision to keep prices at msrp.
If their was ever was a time to give up on PC’s in favour of consoles, now would be it.

I’ll be buying a PS5 in time for GT7 and if things continue as they are this may well be the last pc I build for a while.

 

[Purgatory]

There is a place for both a console and pc as a gamer. I love the fact as a gamer I can play the exclusive sony games on a ps4 pro and still have a HTPC too in the living room with a 3090 in it right now for 4k gaming too from the old retro games emulated to the latest pc games (3090 is only in the HTPC as it was meant to be a second SLI workstation but sold the 4th card to a work mate that needed a GPU as his Titan went bang at the perfect time), the 3090 in the HTPC will end up for sale too when I get hold of a 3070 or 3080 as no need for that in a HTPC and getting another MSI Godlike x570 for the second workstation is going to cost over £1k at moment and even selling for £2k which is just silly as it's only motherboard that allows 4 slot spacing for SLI/Nvlink on the X570 platform.


Once Sony release a PS5 pro the PS4 pro will get replaced, the current model PS5 is a bit meeeh to me and not enough games yet for PS5 to be worth jumping on one yet and I had a PS5 Disk version and had to go back as it was self bricking and happy I returned it and decided to not sell the PS4 Pro and have a huge list of games still on it that have never been played yet, but was looking forward to playing some at higher frame rates but just not worth it at the moment and not happy about the fact Sony has made the PS5 SSD part of the motherboard and can't be removed if it fails. Hoping the PS5 Pro sorts the SSD issue out and makes it user replaceable like they did on the Series X.


Also hoping this stupid mining craze dies out and helps us all get the parts we need without this silly gouging that is going on for everything electronic now. If not next time they release new cpus and gpus we will all be back at this mess again and this mess has proved that even double MSRP people will pay, even without covid being a reason as their clearly is a high demand for these parts now and a lot of developing countries with money now want in too and a the population of the world is growing too fast for such demands on resources.

Next year we will see how this all settles down if it ever does now, maybe this is now just the new reality of how things will be going forward. It's not just the PC industry that is hit, many of the elctronic companies that sell anything electronic now are hit by it, I also am a hobby music maker and music electronics has also shot up to silly levels and even the second hand prices are silly now like what is happening with pc parts.

 

[Relentless81]

They are also subject to all these different price rises that the pc industry is facing but yet they have held fast in their decision to keep prices at msrp.
If their was ever was a time to give up on PC’s in favour of consoles, now would be it.

I’ll be buying a PS5 in time for GT7 and if things continue as they are this may well be the last pc I build for a while.

I'm interested in hearing what more people think of the jump, I was really skeptical but I'm loving it