Electric car monthly subscribe, but without the films
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And JLR.
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Which doesn't feel like enough to make driving an old Saab 9-5 the smart choice.
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I never said it was the Smart choice. Driving 12k miles a year in a Petrol with 300BHP is lunacy. Would save more with a dirty tractor engine but none the less doing 70 miles commute per day in a Clio sized car with a top speed of 87mph doesn't seem like fun to me. Must be butt clenching trying to overtake a lorry with that top speed.
This feels like an exaggeration as well if I'm honest.
I'm sure there is a middle ground between an old Saab and a Renault Zoe.
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yes, its called a hybrid
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Yes I am sure you could get something reasonable which is low tax and circa £250 a month like a Skoda Octavia and just keep the £130 change for fossilised sea plankton.
To be fair I'm not sure anyone could reasonably expect a brand new car on a scheme like this. Someone rents a car for a month and returns it- 'oh, best send that one to Cazoo and get another one on the fleet'.
It seems mega expensive to me but if you rely on public charging, have mega insurance costs, travel in the congestion zone etc. I can see how this could soon look viable if you don't want to run one of the more expensive cars.
I really would suggest you test drive one. They don’t have a gearbox as such so the acceleration is incredibly linear and because you are literally always at the power and torque peak, electric cars really do shift. I’d much rather overtake a truck in my electric car than in an ICE car because the acceleration is literally immediate and linear and you don’t have to change gear. It just keeps pulling hard all the way to the top speed.
It different but certainly not worse.
As I say, give one a test drive. I suspect you’ll be very pleasantly surprised.
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How is it not worse? I understand you always have peak torque on a electric motor but it must be quite strained at 87 mph. I can quite easily be doing close to 100 when overtaking a couple of lorries tailgating each other.
Electric cars are fantastic off the line but in the higher speeds ICE is still faster.
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I don't think anyone was expecting your comparison was against an ICE overtaking at 87mph and hitting 100mph to get past 2 lorries going 56mphSuggest you get off the forums, and go and test drive a Polestar 2, Mustang Mach-E, Tesla (any version), Jaguar i-Pace, Audi E-tron, or even an MG ZS and you'll see how wrong you are. Until you hit rather illegal public highway speeds, overtaking from 55-80 in a decent EV is way better than the vast majority of ICE cars.
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I am not talking about those cars. This thread is about the Zoe with a top speed of 87. I don't have enough fingers on my hand to count the amount of times I go above that whilst over taking on my daily commute. How do you get past a pair of lorries on crowded A roads when you can only get to 87. Not to mention the several thousand of people doing 90 on the M1 every day.
In fact on the continent it wouldn't even barely do the speed limit in some countries.
You literally said, and I quote below.
You genericised all electric cars in your statement.
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Pound for pound that is completely true.
Also, Evezy, or Onto as they are now known have been around a good few years. The cars were much cheaper before EV's became popular, and the prices have slowly gone up, for the Zoe it was under £190 all inclusive, and it's gone up, and up, and up.
I personally think it is a great idea for a couple of months if you are uncertain if you could go full BEV as a single car household, and give you some idea of what to expect when/if you change, the other option is MK EV Centre who'll lend you a car for a week for about £80, I did that a couple of times and it was great.
I personally think it is a great idea for a couple of months if you are uncertain if you could go full BEV as a single car household, and give you some idea of what to expect when/if you change, the other option is MK EV Centre who'll lend you a car for a week for about £80, I did that a couple of times and it was great.
Strained? I don't think you quite understand how they work. Never had a problem overtaking in the Zoe and it would quite happily just go until hitting the artificial limiter at 87mph. Saying that, I tend to stick to the speed limit, if you're used to breaking it constantly then maybe your experience will be different
That is true, however it's also pretty much difficult to avoid when talking ICE Vs EV.
I personally dont desire to drive new cars, actually I think more modern cars now have too much going on. My Volvo has 4 separate fuse boxes due to all the electronic "features" that I couldn't care less about.
I'm not against EVs at all, not only do I think at done point we will all need to be driving them, but personally for me, I'd change today if it made financial sense, but it just doesn't.
I can buy a good quality used petrol car, owned outright, keep good care of it, maintenance myself, it doesn't cost me much to run and in theory, if you look after it will last a long time.
I'm not one to change cars often, my previous Mitsubishi lancer petrol I had over 10 years, and if it wasn't for a very random I intermittent brake failure, that couldn't be fixed with any confidence without completely replacing the entire brake system, I'd still have that car now. It was otherwise in great working order.
Thing with EVs is no matter what you do, that battery has a limited life. And they are not exactly a cheap part to replace every (5 years?).
Another example, I know not exactly quite the same, but my motorcycle is 18 years old, and basically good as new. Depreciation is irrelevant because it'll probably last me forever.
You just can't make those claims with EVs.
But battery technology will improve, mass production batteries get cheaper, I will switch, no doubt, it's just not that time yet
So do engines and gearboxes.
I completely agree with you about the cost of new/used cars, and the complexity of modern cars making them both less reliable and harder to DIY on, but this applies equally to both ICE and EV.
Just no. My stepdad has an early Model S (iirc 7 years old), and while yes, the battery has lost a bit of range, it will still go further on a charge than many new EVs.
No to mention that when the battery has lost enough capacity to make it no longer viable for EV use, the cells still have value for other energy storage (e.g. home solar batteries). You can't say the same for your petrol engine when it goes bang
I don't understand why people don't do even the most basic research before posting such uninformed drivel
