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Is this 3080 a decent buy?
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I see 2600 but no 3600 in that but I did only watch 5 seconds worth.
The 3600 was a substantial improvement over the 2600 so it's a terrible video if they didn't use a 3600 yet included a 1600
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My mistake, I thought it was comparing the 3600! Apologies.
Seems Nvidia do suck with older cpu's though
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My mistake, I thought it was comparing the 3600! Apologies.
Seems Nvidia do suck with older cpu's though
It's not just Nvidia. The 1600 and 2600 were always poor performance when it came to gaming.
3600 is when AMD took the gaming crown. So that video is literally click bait. I'm not surprised at all by the figures and comparisons.
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Defiantly worth the money, wouldn't hesitate if I had the option.
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We'll have to agree to disagree there, Intel were still the Daddy until 3 landed (and the 10th Gen still holds its own).
This - is there a reason they're under selling at a price less than they could easily get?
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Anyone with a 'bargain' £900+ 3080 will get a shock when its value plummets next year and you want to upgrade.
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Thats my take also, market speculation gives us a high tide mark in prices but also if any reason is there to reverse that wave up we get the wave down and they'll be a wash out in prices . Even if the boom were totally genuine it would cycle prices, the 3080 ends up after two years say in the same place the 1080 was 6 months ago or worse with excessive supply; everyone will try to avoid holding it while it loses that much
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Not really a need to upgrade from a 3080 as it does 4k very well. And those that still want to as they are enthusiasts will shell out anyway. Sounds more like bitterness to me.
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Oh cool the first future proof gpu....
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More recent tests show the 8700k is actually as fast or a bit faster than 3700x in games and it was released before the 2700x, so Intel were still quicker then
well, it's not a clickbait video. it also contains a valuable 3600x data in watch dogs:legion.
there's no point discrediting zen/zen+ cpus' lesser performance. this is a general issue that can happen with ANY cpu. it's not specific to lower end, or mid range cpus. in any cpu bound situation, it will happen. and yes, a 5600x/5800x/10900k can easily be CPU bound in current games such as wd legion, cyberpunk, cod warzone and other certain titles. Ray tracing adds an extra CPU load due to BHV structures. This is a serious matter that will affect a 5800x sooner or later. Games have different regions that can be heavily taxing on CPUs. Take AC: Odyssey for example, it's really hard to achieve locked 60 FPS in the Athens region. This is just a simple example, you may argue that these are badly optimized games, but PC is full of them.
you may save the day with 5800x, but then a 4080 will come out and outperform a 3090. and suddenly you will see that you're affected by the driver overhead now, and a competitor AMD gpu gets higher frames than the 4080 with your 5800x.
in the same data, you can also see 5600x is maxing out at 140 fps with a 3090, while rx 680 have no trouble delivering 157 fps, and 6900xt delivering 167 fps. this test is labeled "watch dogs legion 1080p medium", so it's not a GPU bound, but CPU bound situation. now i know, i said myself, no one will play these games at 1080p medium with these GPUs. that's an entirely different topic. please don't bring that up. i'm aware. but reality is there, even the 5600x performs worse with top Nvidia GPU compared to lesser AMD GPU. You can clearly observe %20 more overhead with the Nvidia GPU in this particular game, and on other certain games. This overhead can be near zero, can be %5, can be %10, and can be brutally %30 in some games. So no: you can't discredit this serious problem as a lower-end CPU issue.
see the video below. a 5 ghz 9900k can become CPU bound at 50-60 fps in cyberpunk with maxed out ray tracing, and high crowd density. yes game is horribly optimized, but a potential amd gpu will have %20 more CPU bound performance there, if the overhead is %20 for this game. it is yet to be tested, and i don't expect anyone to test it out, because to get 50+ fps with maxed out ray tracing with an amd gpu, you need to lower the resolution to 540p-720p or something. if someone has the right combo, they can test it. sadly, i cannot. but i bet 9900k would be able to stay above 60+ fps in this particular scene when paired with an amd gpu, if the gpu settings are set to low resolution appopriately to prevent gpu bound situation at lower frames.
there's no point discrediting zen/zen+ cpus' lesser performance. this is a general issue that can happen with ANY cpu. it's not specific to lower end, or mid range cpus. in any cpu bound situation, it will happen. and yes, a 5600x/5800x/10900k can easily be CPU bound in current games such as wd legion, cyberpunk, cod warzone and other certain titles. Ray tracing adds an extra CPU load due to BHV structures. This is a serious matter that will affect a 5800x sooner or later. Games have different regions that can be heavily taxing on CPUs. Take AC: Odyssey for example, it's really hard to achieve locked 60 FPS in the Athens region. This is just a simple example, you may argue that these are badly optimized games, but PC is full of them.
you may save the day with 5800x, but then a 4080 will come out and outperform a 3090. and suddenly you will see that you're affected by the driver overhead now, and a competitor AMD gpu gets higher frames than the 4080 with your 5800x.
in the same data, you can also see 5600x is maxing out at 140 fps with a 3090, while rx 680 have no trouble delivering 157 fps, and 6900xt delivering 167 fps. this test is labeled "watch dogs legion 1080p medium", so it's not a GPU bound, but CPU bound situation. now i know, i said myself, no one will play these games at 1080p medium with these GPUs. that's an entirely different topic. please don't bring that up. i'm aware. but reality is there, even the 5600x performs worse with top Nvidia GPU compared to lesser AMD GPU. You can clearly observe %20 more overhead with the Nvidia GPU in this particular game, and on other certain games. This overhead can be near zero, can be %5, can be %10, and can be brutally %30 in some games. So no: you can't discredit this serious problem as a lower-end CPU issue.
see the video below. a 5 ghz 9900k can become CPU bound at 50-60 fps in cyberpunk with maxed out ray tracing, and high crowd density. yes game is horribly optimized, but a potential amd gpu will have %20 more CPU bound performance there, if the overhead is %20 for this game. it is yet to be tested, and i don't expect anyone to test it out, because to get 50+ fps with maxed out ray tracing with an amd gpu, you need to lower the resolution to 540p-720p or something. if someone has the right combo, they can test it. sadly, i cannot. but i bet 9900k would be able to stay above 60+ fps in this particular scene when paired with an amd gpu, if the gpu settings are set to low resolution appopriately to prevent gpu bound situation at lower frames.
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3700x is 2-3% faster until 8 cores then 15% faster.
So I'd disagree with that. AMD offered much better performance £ for £ and beat intel £ for £ gaming wise for the 6 and 8 core chips.
The 5600 just pushed ahead and completely obliterated them in every aspect apart from there is one intel chip that's decent but at the budget end of £100 all their more expensive chips are beaten by AMD easily.
Anyway the point was a 3600 is a great gaming CPU and doesn't warrant any upgrade at all.
It will still be a great gaming CPU for the next 5-10 years also.
This is a good enough deal that it's screaming "scam" (unless you know the seller personally). Does that person know and like you enough to throw £400+ away just to do you a favour?
This is why we're not allowed nice things lol