*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***
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Be upgrading my gaming boot straight off, work boot can wait a little. 
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Yeah I found these as well, I will take money they wont be back in stock and they haven't been in stock in a long time....
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System needs certain hardware to run smoothly.
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That's not really a good sign if an OS needs something newer than about 3 years old. The OS shouldn't really be doing a whole lot other than enabling you to open apps and files.
I don't think not having TPM will effect performance. People have been running the OS with a bypass on CPU's not on the allowed list.
They could still have TPM in Win11. Just don't make it a set requirement. I'm not interested in encrypting my hard drive.
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You might not be but Microsoft are. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. Windows 10 will be supported for a while.
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Personally I think what MS are trying to do is change peoples perception.
They are basically trying to copy Apple but in a Windows world.
By setting minimum criteria to run the OS they are setting the bar for performance and hence peoples perception.
People will never see windows behaving sluggish etc as it is now running on much more modern hardware.
By requiring a TPM, they are also trying to set the bar as well for security.
All in all, if they have windows running on a base level of hardware with a base level of security they are going to change the perception people have of Windows and Microsoft in the future.
We look back on windows and think, security liability, blue screens, viruses etc etc.
In a decade, people will look back on windows and MS with a different light.
Or at least that's the theory.
They are basically trying to copy Apple but in a Windows world.
By setting minimum criteria to run the OS they are setting the bar for performance and hence peoples perception.
People will never see windows behaving sluggish etc as it is now running on much more modern hardware.
By requiring a TPM, they are also trying to set the bar as well for security.
All in all, if they have windows running on a base level of hardware with a base level of security they are going to change the perception people have of Windows and Microsoft in the future.
We look back on windows and think, security liability, blue screens, viruses etc etc.
In a decade, people will look back on windows and MS with a different light.
Or at least that's the theory.
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I might just end up switching to Ubuntu when Ubuntu 21.10 releases.
I am hoping they do a good job with the changes that have been introduced in Gnome 40.
I am hoping they do a good job with the changes that have been introduced in Gnome 40.
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Well it's an epic fail. Apple cut off some older machines with the last OS launch for the first time in years. They're still supporting c.2015 era kit to run Big Sur.
Whereas Microsoft just cut off my 2 year old X299 machine, unless I toss a new £600 CPU and a TPM in it.
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Cant carry on supporting old kit forever. People can still run W10.
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So why did they pick 8th Gen? It's pretty much the same architecture as 6th gen, just with the odd security fix and a inaccurate new sticker proclaiming it to be a new generation.
Looking at the work estate of a few thousand machines. 85% are scrap and won't run Windows 11. They've got a TPM, but most are Skylake 6th gen bought on a long term contact for stable platform kit. The supplies of newer gen CPUs from Intel have been woeful. New laptops are currently on 15 weeks backorder. They've been on at least 6 weeks backorder for best part of 2 years, so that's pre-COVID.
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You won't need anything newer for a few years anyway, just stick to W10.
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I still see loads of companies running Core 2 based CPUs even! though increasingly those are being phased out for newer Atom (or M3-Y series, etc.) based systems. We've recently had a load of new kit at work and most of it is like 5, 6 or 7 series Intels, etc. and still quite a few 4 series i5s knocking about.
Interesting about TPM being non-negotiable due to security - but from what has been floating around on the web any existing implementation is at least weakened if not compromised now by new side-channel attacks.
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We had a clearcut for Windows 10 about 3 years ago, so there's nothing around older than 4th Gen. We'll still have to replace 85% of the estate now.
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I'll believe that when I see it. Asus refused to fix a RTC BIOS bug in my old Z87 ROG board, as they were two years old therefore out of warranty, despite the howls of protest from users.