Mandatory Speed Limiters on New Cars from 2022

[pugheaven]

Which track have you been to that doesn’t have rules and regs? None that I’ve ever driven on.

What track have you been on that has speed restrictions. I said laws around speed restrictions (which you know I was refering to), not rules and regs on a track, lets not be silly now.

The conversation is around having restrcitions imposed on a cars speed, which could in theory be dangerous in overtaking positions if physically restricted so that can't be used as people would sue the car makers... and the other is warnings when hitting certain speeds in certain zones i.e. a 40mph for example which yeah I get.

Therefore there is no speed law on a track which is what I posted.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

What track have you been on that has speed restrictions. I said laws around speed restrictions (which you know I was refering to), not rules and regs on a track, lets not be silly now.

The conversation is around having restrcitions imposed on a cars speed, which could in theory be dangerous in overtaking positions if physically restricted so that can't be used as people would sue the car makers... and the other is warnings when hitting certain speeds in certain zones i.e. a 40mph for example which yeah I get.

Therefore there is no speed law on a track which is what I posted.

This is the internet and I’m not going to assume anything. If you want to make a point, accurately articulate it.

 

[pugheaven]

This is the internet and I’m not going to assume anything. If you want to make a point, accurately articulate it.

Boy do we know it's the internet plagued by people like yourself.

I did, you can't understand plain clear english. You don't have to assume anything, it was clear for all to see and read... Follow the thread... these are the facts and accuratley articulated as you seem to want:

Me: Yep 100%, no one tells me what my car can and can't do, the worlds going mental!
Semple: You mean apart from the law?
Me: No law on a track (of which there are no laws on a track!) refering Semples reply... and he replied, True
YOU whilst quoting my above statement: Which track have you been to that doesn’t have rules and regs? None that I’ve ever driven on.

Absolutely nothing to do with my statement about "No law on a track"... you then start on rules and regs and troll the post also making me now troll the post to explain a simple concept of a statement I made.

If you can't understand the above sequence of conversation and the thread then frankly nothing I can do about this. Ignored

 

[Nasher]

Things like this are just killing the fun in life tbh.

Can't go for a fun drive, filtered internet, can't do X because of health and safety, can't do Y because the EU banned it.

 

[pugheaven]

Things like this are just killing the fun in life tbh.

Can't go for a fun drive, filtered internet, can't do X because of health and safety, can't do Y because the EU banned it.

Yeah 100% agree on this... think that's what this comes down to... and it's an odd rule eitehr way you look at it I suppose.

I suppose if it's purely for safety of the public then the assumption is that the driver can't read his own speedo i.e. can't be trusted to adhere to the law... and they need to alert you to the fact you're speeding which is odd... because if you want to speed you will UNLESS the bonging or warnings became intrussive maybe? Is that what theyr'e after?

or

They are doing it to literally force ZERO speeding in which case you limit your Lambourghini out the factory to 70mph in UK.... which is also silly as 99.99% of all cars can go faster than 70mph...

This is one of those rules that... you think... hold on, if you're 100% serious about stopping speeding you limit everyday on the road to 70mph in UK... problem solved... I'm not sure what they're trying to solve here? We'll implement some warning lights and some bongs... to what end? Tell me what I already know? I'm doing 80mph?

It's a none solution to a problem that was created by allowing cars to go faster than the speed limit hahaha

 

[R.P.L]

Things like this are just killing the fun in life tbh.

Can't go for a fun drive, filtered internet, can't do X because of health and safety, can't do Y because the EU banned it.

Indeed. I think it's inevitable in a society that things will always be made safer which results in more and more things being regulated, but at the end of the day I'm not here just to stay alive eternally (which is of course impossible anyway). I'm glad I don't have children because I don't think life will be very pleasant for the next few generations unless everyone grows some balls and pushes back on the constantly increasing regulation.

 

[pugheaven]

Indeed. I think it's inevitable in a society that things will always be made safer which results in more and more things being regulated, but at the end of the day I'm not here just to stay alive eternally (which is of course impossible anyway). I'm glad I don't have children because I don't think life will be very pleasant for the next few generations unless everyone grows some balls and pushes back on the constantly increasing regulation.

yep I do however believe I think someone posted earlier that, we will get to a point in EV or whatever proper solution for travel comes that it will be controlled and you will simply NOT be allowed to go faster than 30/40/70 or whatever... therefore it removes the human element and judgement call... and yeah 100% the basicaly fun of travel will be lost... maybe that's what they want to start doing slowly and need to start somewhere?

 

[Conscript]

Ironically, if we hadn't left the EU, we might have been in a better position to influence the decision making regarding those regulations.
Instead, we're aligning ourselves with them (presumably for pragmatism), but have no say over their adoption.

Taking back control. Woo.


On the topic of limiters themselves, I wonder how intrusive they'll be. If it was just a hard upper limit (like the Japanese 112MPH limit), I doubt I'd ever notice or care. I guess track drivers and autobahn fans would be up in arms.

 

[Nasher]

Yeah 100% agree on this... think that's what this comes down to... and it's an odd rule eitehr way you look at it I suppose.

I suppose if it's purely for safety of the public then the assumption is that the driver can't read his own speedo i.e. can't be trusted to adhere to the law... and they need to alert you to the fact you're speeding which is odd... because if you want to speed you will UNLESS the bonging or warnings became intrussive maybe? Is that what theyr'e after?

or

They are doing it to literally force ZERO speeding in which case you limit your Lambourghini out the factory to 70mph in UK.... which is also silly as 99.99% of all cars can go faster than 70mph...

This is one of those rules that... you think... hold on, if you're 100% serious about stopping speeding you limit everyday on the road to 70mph in UK... problem solved... I'm not sure what they're trying to solve here? We'll implement some warning lights and some bongs... to what end? Tell me what I already know? I'm doing 80mph?

It's a none solution to a problem that was created by allowing cars to go faster than the speed limit hahaha

Some places have no speed limits outside of towns (like the Isle of Man) and it isn't complete chaos like the safety wombles would like people to believe. You can still be done for being dangerous and it's a harsher punishment than here.

When they put all these rules in place people find fun in breaking them, because risk gives them a rush.

Ironically, if we hadn't left the EU, we might have been in a better position to influence the decision making regarding those regulations.
Instead, we're aligning ourselves with them (presumably for pragmatism), but have no say over their adoption.

Taking back control. Woo.

On the topic of limiters themselves, I wonder how intrusive they'll be. If it was just a hard upper limit (like the Japanese 112MPH limit), I doubt I'd ever notice or care. I guess track drivers and autobahn fans would be up in arms.

But we don't have to, the government is choosing to do it :/

 

[pugheaven]

Some places have no speed limits outside of towns (like the Isle of Man) and it isn't complete chaos like the safety wombles would like people to believe. You can still be done for being dangerous and it's a harsher punishment than here.

is there no limit on the IOM? No way didn't know that... wondering what the stats are on crashs on the Autobahn as well say compared to what the M25/M4/M6?

 

[R.P.L]

yep I do however believe I think someone posted earlier that, we will get to a point in EV or whatever proper solution for travel comes that it will be controlled and you will simply NOT be allowed to go faster than 30/40/70 or whatever... therefore it removes the human element and judgement call... and yeah 100% the basicaly fun of travel will be lost... maybe that's what they want to start doing slowly and need to start somewhere?

Yeah, we're certainly heading that way one way or another. As I previously mentioned:

It's a nice idea, but in reality this is just another step towards driverless cars which are the opposite of what you describe.

Basically making society safer nearly always means taking away something that people enjoy and absolving personal responsibility, and that doesn't sound like a world that I want to be a part of.

 

[pugheaven]

Basically making society safer nearly always means taking away something that people enjoy and absolving personal responsibility, and that doesn't sound like a world that I want to be a part of.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Pretty much sums up the last 20 years, slowly but surely... rules rules and more rules...

However, thinking about this and playing devils advacate... could there be a plus side? i.e. if we all become automated and basically self driving, in theory everyone could infact drive at 200mph... yeah they won't be driving... suppose we'll all be travelling to tesco's at 200mph and you won't have fun BUT speeds could infact be increased... like you say though still not a world I want to be part of either. It's like EV cars being fast. I don't care that an EV can can do 60mph in 2 seconds... it's about emotion, feeling etc...

yep, forget the above... our fun and freedon is being eroded hahaha

 

[Nasher]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Pretty much sums up the last 20 years, slowly but surely... rules rules and more rules...

However, thinking about this and playing devils advacate... could there be a plus side? i.e. if we all become automated and basically self driving, in theory everyone could infact drive at 200mph... yeah they won't be driving... suppose we'll all be travelling to tesco's at 200mph and you won't have fun BUT speeds could infact be increased... like you say though still not a world I want to be part of either. It's like EV cars being fast. I don't care that an EV can can do 60mph in 2 seconds... it's about emotion, feeling etc...

yep, forget the above... our fun and freedon is being eroded hahaha

No because the road noise would be insane, you'd go through tyres really fast, we'd still have massive potholes, and the AI hasn't proven itself to be trustworthy even at low speeds.

 

[pugheaven]

No because the road noise would be insane, you'd go through tyres really fast, we'd still have massive potholes, and the AI hasn't proven itself to be trustworthy even at low speeds.

you still on tyres mate? I'll be in my SRT8 Hover Jeep... where I'm going, there are no speed limits... lol

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

What happens if I stick a 20mph sign on the back of my car?

We would thank you for reminding us about whatever slow mobile your currently driving

 

[SKILL]

Ironically, if we hadn't left the EU, we might have been in a better position to influence the decision making regarding those regulations.
Instead, we're aligning ourselves with them (presumably for pragmatism), but have no say over their adoption.

Taking back control. Woo.


On the topic of limiters themselves, I wonder how intrusive they'll be. If it was just a hard upper limit (like the Japanese 112MPH limit), I doubt I'd ever notice or care. I guess track drivers and autobahn fans would be up in arms.

Except our government clearly leans far more towards this type of regulation than away from it, so if we were part of the EU we would've pushed for this, not against... So your point is moot, we'd likely have this type of legislation with or without the EU, Brexit has made no difference at all.

There's so many valid points to pick if you want to go full pro-eu, so why pick this ridiculous one?

 

[grudas]

I've had gps receivers in every car i have owned for well over 30 years and have never had a signal flakey enough that I donot get an accurate speed readout, except when going through tunnels.

That's not what I mean, the speed limit detection depending on location.. that is flaky.

 

[Conscript]

Except our government clearly leans far more towards this type of regulation than away from it, so if we were part of the EU we would've pushed for this, not against... So your point is moot, we'd likely have this type of legislation with or without the EU, Brexit has made no difference at all.

There's so many valid points to pick if you want to go full pro-eu, so why pick this ridiculous one?

I'm not really making a full pro EU point. Just metering Nashers usual "big bad EU" rhetoric in regard to regulation/banning, which is a view shared by many as a prime justification for Brexit. But if, as you say, we would be likely to introduce such regulations regardless of our membership, then why pick on the EU for introducing them?

I'm not some EU sycophant...I think its silly and unnecessary regulation, as it happens. But we've left now, so rather than opining about stupid regulations that the EU propose, I think our ire is better directed at our own government for adopting them in kind. After all, not having to do that should have been one of the major advantages of leaving.

 

[Hotwired]

Renault Group also confirmed that all upcoming Renault and Citroen cars will have a top speed of 112 mph to increase safety.

How crippling.

 

[Nasher]

That's not what I mean, the speed limit detection depending on location.. that is flaky.

Yep the update rate with the satellite is slow. There is a few seconds of lag.

The software on the GPS maps estimates the position and follows the road and last known speed so it looks smooth.

How crippling.

So much for EVs being quicker than old petrol cars then. How long before they limit acceleration as well, maybe slowly creep the limiter down to 60mph. Then maybe patch it in retro-actively over the air...