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No point to banning guns when such people would just use other weapons instead, but I didn't even know you could have firearm permits in the UK.
You can't make your argument consistent with anything, including itself, and now you're resorting to nonsense about cricket bats, baseball bats and suchlike having "a intrinsic rule in society". At best that's arguing that something should be legal solely because it's common enough and that not being common enough is a good enough reason to make something illegal. But without actually meaning it, since guns are more common than baseball bats in the USA.
A wooden bat started life as a club to bludgeon people with, until we started playing sports with them. So screw the people who enjoy playing baseball or whatever they can find another hobby so no one ever gets killed by a bat again.
You are seriously comparing a gun with a car and piece of sports equipment ?
Maybe compare the amount of people who are killed in the US with guns compared to sports equipment or deliberate vehicle murders!
Your argument is asinine.
You're being disingenuous. You say it's all about saving lives, but when asked about bats you move the goalposts and say those are fine. If people die from firearms, and thus should be banned, then surely bats should be too? They're only recreational after all.You are so disingenuous, if you sincerely believe Jake Davison would have killed 6 people with a 'wooden bat' then you are beyond help!
Sports equipment is used by millions of people for recreation and are SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to kill with.
The fact you are comparing a device designed to kill with a piece of sports equipment shows how pathetic your argument is
So you accept that people will inevitably be killed by keeping theseSports equipment is used by millions of people for recreation and are SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to kill with.
The fact you are comparing a device designed to kill with a piece of sports equipment shows how pathetic your argument is
Because road transport is esential for modern life
Legal gun ownership for sport is utterly pointless?
Sports equipment is used by millions of people for recreation and are SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to kill with.
The fact you are comparing a device designed to kill with a piece of sports equipment shows how pathetic your argument is
This is a pretty questionable argument. If it was happening very often I'd agree with you, but it's not. Compare gun related incidents in UK vs US? Why do we have significantly less, because we have gun control laws. They work, demonstrably. I can guarantee you there is no law you can enforce that would stop these things from happening. Bad people do bad things. You will find this in every history book since we could write.
Stabbing happens with kitchen knife -> knife licenses on all knives. Have to be stored in a special knife cabinet that a police man has to inspect regularly.
Someone kills someone while speeding -> GPS based speed limiters in all cars so that no one can exceed speed limits.
Man molests child -> Humans aren't allowed to interact with anyone under the age of 18 unless they're their own children.
We can all come up with ridiculous laws/restrictions to reduce crimes. You have to balance it with freedoms. The current gun laws are fine for the most part. Gun related incidents in the UK are very low. I think that we should have more checks and balances on gun owners with regards to their mental state. But ultimately no matter what is done we won't be able to prevent this happening completely.
What changes would cut firearms deaths by 75% in the US? The places with the strictest gun laws or outright bans (chicago etc) have by far the highest deaths. Gun deaths in the US are well over 50% suicide, once you start removing those from the figures put out for anti gun positions, then remove any gang related figures, both of which are out of control and no gun laws will effect, the gun use in murder becomes similar to knife/vehicle and other means of death.The US is a different story again - some fairly simple changes would cut firearms deaths in that country by about 75% alone without getting anywhere close to a total ban. Stuff like this is extremely rare in this country fortunately despite there being nearly 2 million legal firearms and several thousands in the hands of criminals (not including those stashed by the likes of the IRA, etc. and illegal antiques/souvenirs)
Hmm, just read on the BBC that he had his gun taken because of assault in December.I've just read that he had to attend an anger management course and it was after he finished that, he was given his guns back?!
What changes would cut firearms deaths by 75% in the US? The places with the strictest gun laws or outright bans (chicago etc) have by far the highest deaths. Gun deaths in the US are well over 50% suicide, once you start removing those from the figures put out for anti gun positions, then remove any gang related figures, both of which are out of control and no gun laws will effect, the gun use in murder becomes similar to knife/vehicle and other means of death.
Some issues with your arguement hereDon’t waste your time he’s as CRAZY as his username implies. He made the exact same argument 100 posts ago. I returned with this and he ignored it.
Hmm, just read on the BBC that he had his gun taken because of assault in December.
Some questions are going to be asked how a 22 year old with 'assault' apparently on his card can be given back by the police his 'pump-action shotgun'.
As far as I'm aware there was never an issue with wide scale murder involving firearms before hand guns were banned
the shotguns licence are easier to get and i assume they are less fussy because my brother had shotguns and he has a criminal record that doesnt look nice
What changes would cut firearms deaths by 75% in the US? The places with the strictest gun laws or outright bans (chicago etc) have by far the highest deaths. Gun deaths in the US are well over 50% suicide, once you start removing those from the figures put out for anti gun positions, then remove any gang related figures, both of which are out of control and no gun laws will effect, the gun use in murder becomes similar to knife/vehicle and other means of death.
Hence my caveat at the end of that postI do wonder if that would still be true today with more lax licensing and easier ownership, there seem to be more and more people with a bleak outlook on life and/or with mental health issues.
Hmm, just read on the BBC that he had his gun taken because of assault in December.
Some questions are going to be asked how a 22 year old with 'assault' apparently on his card can be given back by the police his 'pump-action shotgun'.