Tragic death of Gabby Petito

[dowie]

Don't know if anyone has followed this case?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gabby_Petito

tl;dr

• A youtube/van life couple goes on a trip in thier van (or rather the gf's van AFAIK, the bf is unemployed).

• At some point there is a domestic incident where the police are called, the gf is seemingly the aggressor in this incident and the bf the victim - police chalk it up as a mental health thing and separate the couple for the night, bf sent to a motel.

• BF turns up at home, in van, no gf with him. He's not talking to anyone about it*. GF is now a missing person but no evidence of a crime so nothing anyone can do about the bf.

• Days later he body is discovered but... the BF has now dissapeared. Some obvious questions about his parent's complicity here too.

Obviously, a case like this got a shed load of media attention in the US, so enter the culture war narrative - muh pretty white woman, wot about all the missing black/indigenous etc.. etc.. This is a tad hypocritical when it is coming from the media outlets/media personalities that have themselves chosen not to report on those other stories.

But now to top things off, it seems Dog the Bounty hunter is on the case... he's playing at being a police officer again and trying to find the suspect himself:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1441859583337771008

Some people might recall and/or see in the comments of that thread that he's done this sort of thing before too, once he went to Mexico (and got arrested for kidnapping) in the process of capturing a seireal rapist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Luster

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Spoiler

I guess this is also a good illustration of how not talking to the police can be very effective if you'#re a suspect or person of interest:

 

[jsmoke]

Average story. He will hand himself in or commit suicide.

 

[Longbow]

Obviously, a case like this got a shed load of media attention in the US, so enter the culture war narrative - muh pretty white woman, wot about all the missing black/indigenous etc.. etc.. This is a tad hypocritical when it is coming from the media outlets/media personalities that have themselves chosen not to report on those other stories.

It's because of the unusual circumstances, if this had just been another murder it would have blown over by now. It's gone from missing woman, to dead woman, to murdered woman, and the boyfriend disappearing and a manhunt under way.

What I don't get it is how can people be so bad at murder? Did he really think the body wouldn't be found? Did he think people wouldn't ask questions about his solo return?

 

[MagicBoy]

But now to top things off, it seems Dog the Bounty hunter is on the case... he's LARPing at being a police officer again and trying to find the suspect himself:

FTFY.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

FTFY.

 

[Angilion]

It's because of the unusual circumstances, if this had just been another murder it would have blown over by now. It's gone from missing woman, to dead woman, to murdered woman, and the boyfriend disappearing and a manhunt under way.

What I don't get it is how can people be so bad at murder? Did he really think the body wouldn't be found? Did he think people wouldn't ask questions about his solo return?

Homicide isn't always planned. Even when it is planned, the killer might not react how they thought they would. In either situation, they can end up in a panic and just run away, must get away from what they've done, no thinking being done. Maybe they hide the body very badly because what they're really doing it hiding it from themself. Or maybe they're ignorant and/or stupid as well as vicious. I was reading about a case a while back which was definitely murder, very clearly planned in advance. The murderer arranged to meet their victim by text. To the victim's phone. Which they left on the victim's body. With the message and their own details as the sender. They were carrying their own phone the whole time during the murder, turned on and constantly reporting their location. At the murder scene. At the time of the murder. Located by GPS to within a couple of metres of the murder. At the time of the murder. Then they told the police they were a hundred miles away at the time.

Or maybe in this case she attacked him, he accidentally killed her while defending himself and panicked. Or maybe he'd already left her because she'd attacked him and someone else killed her later. Or maybe he's another ignorant and/or stupid murderer. What is known? Is it even known her death was homicide rather than suicide or accident? The wiki link refers only to a preliminary finding.

 

[dowie]

In either situation, they can end up in a panic and just run away, must get away from what they've done, no thinking being done. Maybe they hide the body very badly because what they're really doing it hiding it from themself. Or maybe they're ignorant and/or stupid as well as vicious.[...]
Or maybe in this case she attacked him, he accidentally killed her while defending himself and panicked. Or maybe he'd already left her because she'd attacked him and someone else killed her later. Or maybe he's another ignorant and/or stupid murderer. What is known? Is it even known her death was homicide rather than suicide or accident? The wiki link refers only to a preliminary finding.

I think it seems quite likely at this point that he killed her, it seemed pretty likely before he went missing too, back when the police wanted to talk to him but he simply refused to say anything to them.

He was smart enough to not talk to the police, plenty of criminals fail that basic step.

It does seem quite likely, given we already know about one "domestic" incident that this might well have been something that happened in the middle of another fight rather than a planned murder or something along those lines. Who attacked first is something we'll probably never know unless we get a full confession from this guy (which given he's already not talked to the police and is now on the run seems unlikely).

I guess he'll probably get caught soon and will presumably claim self-defence if charged with murder, could be quite hard to prosecute for the higher murder charges if it is someone who will lawyer up, hasn't spoken to police and pleads self-defence - it seems like he's currently still not officially wanted for murder (though obviously, authorities would be very very keen to talk to him about that) but rather for credit card fraud - presumably, her credit card was used after the time/date they know she was likely dead.

On the other hand, it's now the feds looking at it too and that's bad news for him + the media coverage no doubt means plenty more resources thrown at it now. There will no doubt be plenty more outrage to come with this case, especially if, given the circumstances, a prior domestic incident where he was the apparent "victim" lack of witnesses etc.. he's able to end up with say manslaughter or 3rd-degree murder and/or the sentencing is too soft. No doubt more culture war stuff about privilege etc.. In fact you can almost guarantee that if the police are able to arrest him in a normal manner (i.e. he complies with basic verbal instructions and they don't need to use force to put him in cuffs) you'll see some more outrage, bonus points if they buy him a burger or something because he's not had anything to eat recently...

 

[Malevolence]

The United States of America, a country where you're considered guilty 'till proven innocent - despite what they like to tell you. Little wonder the guy has done one and gone to ground.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

The United States of America, a country where you're considered guilty 'till proven innocent - despite what they like to tell you. Little wonder the guy has done one and gone to ground.

Yeah.....he did do it though didn't he? Let's not kid ourselves here, balance of probability and all that.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Dog The Bounty Hunter couldn’t find his socks without his terrifying wife telling him where they are. His earlier drug use has not made him any smarter.

 

[deuse]

Dog The Bounty Hunter couldn’t find his socks without his terrifying wife telling him where they are. His earlier drug use has not made him any smarter.

She died.

He has re married.

Been following this from the start.
I hope they catch the scum and send him to a fed jail.

I don't think he is in FL anymore. His crap parents took him on a holiday just after he came back.
If his parents have lied, they will be in jail as well.

 

[The Running Man]

It's not quite as tragic as this case, where a guy scoops up a young women who mistook his car for her Uber before being stabbed 120 times, killed and dumped...

It was also clear that Samantha had put up a brave fight. While trying to shield herself, one of the blows had gone straight through her right hand. Her attacker had used so much force the knife had gone through her skull and into her brain on some strikes.

Expecting riots soon...

 

[dave28]

The United States of America, a country where you're considered guilty 'till proven innocent - despite what they like to tell you. Little wonder the guy has done one and gone to ground.

Murderers in the USA have massive incentive to run because they get full life sentence at the drop of a hat and the jails are full of bad ass gangs who will make your life a living hell.

Its not like the UK where 10% of murderers serve under 10 years in jail and the average is only about 16 years. They only gave Delroy Grant minimum 27 years and the guy did a 17+ year crime spree and is thought to have done hundereds of crimes that mostly involved raping women in the 70`s and 80`s

 

[nine_tails]

Sad story , i hope they catch the killer

 

[dlockers]

It's not quite as tragic as this case, where a guy scoops up a young women who mistook his car for her Uber before being stabbed 120 times, killed and dumped...

Expecting riots soon...

Why would there be riots? The outrage for her case has been slim to none, especially when compared to Sarah Everard. Funny that.

 

[BowdonUK]

The incompetence of the police in this situation as been staggering. The call report that a member of the public made to the cops that Brian was slapping Gabby on the side walk never seemed to get sent to the cops on the front line.

So when they turned up after the vehicle had gone off to the side of the curb they assumed Brian was the victim because Gabby was crying and self blaming. One of the officers starts talking about his recent divorce and seemed to automatically be on the guys side. The older officer seemed to have more sympathy for Gabby offering her some water.

Then when she goes missing he drives across the US back to Florida in her vehicle, and his parents don't seem to question anything, even though Gabby had lived with them for nearly a year. Then during all this Brian and his parents went camping for 3 days!! So Brian and his parents could have cleaned the vehicle of any evidence. Now Brian as gone and the parents suggested one area. But a search of that area as now been called off.

The cops now have a warrant for Brians arrest because they know approximately when Gabby died, and the location.. so her card being used in another state and time could only have been done by Brian.

Seriously imagine the balls on this guy. He kills her, steals her van. Stops off at an off license, uses her card, then drives back to his parents house like nothing as happened. What an evil entity.

 

[siezar]

What I don't get it is how can people be so bad at murder? Did he really think the body wouldn't be found? Did he think people wouldn't ask questions about his solo return?

Crime and Punishment is about an intelligent student who plans the murder of his pawn broker to rob her but when the time comes he completely panicks and it doesn't go as planned. After that he ends up getting caught due to his paranoia and fear.
Its a really good book and gives an incite into what it would be like to commit a murder.

 

[Hades]

Yes, have been following it for a while.

 

[deuse]

Well Dog has found where Brian Laundrie and his parents was, when they went camping.
It was 75 miles away from the search site.

Dog confirmed that 3 people came on to the site.
But only 2 left.
I hope the FBI start looking there as well.

""They were registered, went through the gate. They’re on camera. They were here," he told Fox News exclusively on Monday evening. "We think at least if he’s not here right now, we are sure he was caught on camera as he went in the gate — that he was here for sure. Not over in the swamp."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/brian-laundrie-manhunt-dog-bounty-hunter-tipster-laundries-park-september

 

[FortuitousFluke]

Well Dog has found where Brian Laundrie and his parents was, when they went camping.
It was 75 miles away from the search site.

Dog confirmed that 3 people came on to the site.
But only 2 left.
I hope the FBI start looking there as well.

""They were registered, went through the gate. They’re on camera. They were here," he told Fox News exclusively on Monday evening. "We think at least if he’s not here right now, we are sure he was caught on camera as he went in the gate — that he was here for sure. Not over in the swamp."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/brian-laundrie-manhunt-dog-bounty-hunter-tipster-laundries-park-september

Let's not jump the gun, there's a process to follow, the Police handbook for managing the involvement of celebrity consultants mandates that any evidence supplied by a celebrity bounty-hunter be confirmed through the appointment of a celebrity psychic. Let them go through the motions.