Vehicle Registration Offences (Penalty Points) Bill

In 34 years of driving I have never had plates which have been made unreadable driving in poor weather or down a country lane once or twice. Just make sure they are clean at the start of any journey.
 
200sols said:
Lol really. I've never seen a plate dirty enough not to read just from general driving. If you are getting mud splashed onto your vehicle that is obscuring your plate you are either driving too close or too fast for the conditions, most likely both.
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Drive an SUV with poor aerodynamics that result in a low pressure/vortex zone around the rear number plate and live somewhere where the local roads are narrow and muddy. I have to wipe my rear plate weekly during the winter or it would become unreadable.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Drive an SUV with poor aerodynamics that result in a low pressure/vortex zone around the rear number plate and live somewhere where the local roads are narrow and muddy. I have to wipe my rear plate weekly during the winter or it would become unreadable.
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Which takes seconds to do, I have the same issue with the work van, but people are just lazy and wont bother, They should add broken lights to the list while they are at it.
 
ahar said:
No one is getting 3 points for a dirty plate in winter. There's too many around my way who think the rules don't apply to them regarding number plates, good to see the rules get proper teeth
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This.

I think even the most zealous officers would find giving out 3 points for a muddy plate a ridiculous prospect.
 
What's the rationale for this bill?

How many people are driving around with unreadable or no plate? I couldn't remember the last time I saw one and I drive pretty much every day.

When it does happen, what is the provable harm it is causing warranting a more severe punishment?

Or do we just on punishments on a whim. In which case, immediate licence ban? Jail time?

For the record I have bog standard number plates from factory.
 
lol so much sas in number plate threads.

Private plates / non standard spacing = middle class Halford's chav.

Obviously my metal pressed plates exempt from that rule :eek::D
 
I can see why people do it though...when speeding is considered a revenue gathering exercise :rolleyes: & has nothing to actually do with safety at all :mad: plus hidden cameras everywhere. Saw 3 different traffic police cars earlier are well hidden in places on the same stretch of road within a 5mile radius both sides in different places holding speed guns out the window waiting for someone to fly past so they can be brave & try to take their licence away & legally steal some more money from them :mad: They are easily going to catch a few people out this afternoon....clear open road perfect conditions many people would consider they could go a little more than 70mph.....one of the cars was hidden behind a massive sign for a farm its impossible to spot due to the angle. I only saw it after from the other side of the road on my return journey (never above 70 today so does not directly affect me).

A family person could be doing 78 in a newish estate vehicle with massive braking capacity yet they could lose their licence & job perhaps if they did not notice these 3 hidden patrol vehicles.

Something sensible has to be changed why not just keep increasing the fines is a better deterrent than points & taking licences away. When so many DUI genuine dangerous drivers :mad: can get away with that yet they continue to heavily punish motorists for exceeding the speed limits by tiny margins you just know it needs an urgent overhaul.
 
AWPC said:
I can see why people do it though...when speeding is considered a revenue gathering exercise :rolleyes: & has nothing to actually do with safety at all :mad: plus hidden cameras everywhere. Saw 3 different traffic police cars earlier are well hidden in places on the same stretch of road within a 5mile radius both sides in different places holding speed guns out the window waiting for someone to fly past so they can be brave & try to take their licence away & legally steal some more money from them :mad: They are easily going to catch a few people out this afternoon....clear open road perfect conditions many people would consider they could go a little more than 70mph.....one of the cars was hidden behind a massive sign for a farm its impossible to spot due to the angle. I only saw it after from the other side of the road on my return journey (never above 70 today so does not directly affect me).

A family person could be doing 78 in a newish estate vehicle with massive braking capacity yet they could lose their licence & job perhaps if they did not notice these 3 hidden patrol vehicles.

Something sensible has to be changed why not just keep increasing the fines is a better deterrent than points & taking licences away. When so many DUI genuine dangerous drivers :mad: can get away with that yet they continue to heavily punish motorists for exceeding the speed limits by tiny margins you just know it needs an urgent overhaul.
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Did you copy paste this from a Facebook Mum's group or is this a legit post?
 
AWPC said:
I can see why people do it though...when speeding is considered a revenue gathering exercise :rolleyes: & has nothing to actually do with safety at all :mad: plus hidden cameras everywhere. Saw 3 different traffic police cars earlier are well hidden in places on the same stretch of road within a 5mile radius both sides in different places holding speed guns out the window waiting for someone to fly past so they can be brave & try to take their licence away & legally steal some more money from them :mad: They are easily going to catch a few people out this afternoon....clear open road perfect conditions many people would consider they could go a little more than 70mph.....one of the cars was hidden behind a massive sign for a farm its impossible to spot due to the angle. I only saw it after from the other side of the road on my return journey (never above 70 today so does not directly affect me).

A family person could be doing 78 in a newish estate vehicle with massive braking capacity yet they could lose their licence & job perhaps if they did not notice these 3 hidden patrol vehicles.

Something sensible has to be changed why not just keep increasing the fines is a better deterrent than points & taking licences away. When so many DUI genuine dangerous drivers :mad: can get away with that yet they continue to heavily punish motorists for exceeding the speed limits by tiny margins you just know it needs an urgent overhaul.
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Behave, if they're doing an indicated 78 then they're not even going to make the copper blink.
If they're doing an actual 78 and therefore 80+ indicated and make enough of a habit of it to lose their licence then more fool them.

This is coming from someone who got caught doing triple digits down the motorway and now funnily enough I don't speed.
 
Quinnaay said:
Doesn’t hurt anyone if it’s default text imo, the old bill don’t bother dishing fines out anyway so they clearly aren’t that bothered either. I don’t really see the issue with it. Also the 3d gel plates are actually legal.
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Not without a the correct markings. Which I've not seen on them yet...
 
kindai said:
However now people who may have been pulled for an oversight (a dirty plate for example in the middle of winter) and may have been given a stern warning or maybe 100 notes fine if they got a copper in a bad mood could be looking at upto £1000 fine and 3 points.
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Amazing how many are so keen to punish the transgressives that they'll fail to notice how they're ******* themselves too.

The strength of feeling about non-compliant plates is weird stuff, tbh.
 
cheesyboy said:
Amazing how many are so keen to punish the transgressives that they'll fail to notice how they're ******* themselves too.

The strength of feeling about non-compliant plates is weird stuff, tbh.
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Why do people feel the need to try and be different? It's a legal thing to identify a vehicle, not a fashion statement. You wouldn't try and alter your passport to use a different font....
 
cheesyboy said:
Amazing how many are so keen to punish the transgressives that they'll fail to notice how they're ******* themselves too.

The strength of feeling about non-compliant plates is weird stuff, tbh.
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Honestly, the strength of feeling that not complying with basic rules about displaying your registration is even weirder. Weird trigger tbh.
 
I have washed my number plate approximately never. It's made of some kind of special... basic numberplate plastic that stuff doesn't easily stick to.

It gets accidentally washed sometimes if the car is getting washed but pfff... if you're going mudholing in your vehicle give your legal identification plate a wipe before getting on the road mmm?

If a theoretical tractor is rooster tailing enough mud to obscure your number plate then your windscreen also got obliterated and you should have left considerably more distance.
 
Tbh I could empathise with kenai until the garbage about dirty number plates came out :cry:
 
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