New build coming from a 2013 Vintage PC

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Hi all, I am looking for a little advice, I managed to get lucky in a recent Nvidia FE (3060ti) drop and am now looking at building a new system to replace my existing machine.

Current machine is a 4770K on a Z87X board, 16GB RAM, a few 1TB SSDs a 3TB HDD and a Vega 56, all in a Fractal Design Define R4. Its been a brilliant machine since built in 2013. The only thing I'm planning on taking from this machine are likely to be just an SSD. The rest of the machine passed down to my son.

I've recently built a 5600X based system on a MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus board with 16GB Crucial 3600mhz and a Samsung 980 1TB NVME for my daughter, it was all done very quickly and as she was insisting on a Ryzen build I didn't really go as in depth as to the market as I was way out of the loop and pushed for time, so I just went for what I thought best.

Now with more time, my first thought is to build around a 5800X with a better board (X570?), 32GB RAM, and a quicker NVME is this the right way to go? Or should I be looking a Intel 12600K builds (of which I'm even more out of the loop with!)?

PC is used for light virtualisation, video encoding and gaming.

Budget is around 1K for chip, air cooler, board and memory, NVME, PSU (Corsair Rm750x) and case (a Define 7 looks nice). No RGB/Window required or wanted :)

Any ideas gratefully received!

tl;dr- Confused whether to go 5800x with x570 or go Intel 12600k with ddr4. No idea what boards for either!
 
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Whichever way you go it costs about the same for motherboard and processor think you should look at your primary use .

Which is ?
 
AMD

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,015.97 (includes shipping: £13.20)​
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Intel.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,014.02 (includes shipping: £13.20)


The intel has more performance overall for slighlty less money although OC seems to be more expensive for 5800x vs competiters ATM.​
 
Fractal Design Define 7 Compact Mid-Tower Case - Black
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Intel Core i7-12700K 3.60GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail
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go to 15:01 10 game av for 12600k and 5800X basically the same at 201 fps...the 1% low on 12600k 154 and 152 on 5800X.

I'm running 5800X with B550 Gaming E board no probs. Only diff is the 2nd nvme slot is gen 3 rather than gen 4 on X570 board. I went with a 2tb SN850 as result.

Only thing I'll say is the z690 boards can take 4 nvme's(as opposed to 2 mainly on the b550/x570's), and the gpu slot is gen5, so maybe more upgradeable down the line if you want to upgrade a gpu in the future...Other than that I'd just go with whichever is cheaper

For B550 boards, look at the MSI B550 Tomahawk for £130, or the MSI Gaming Edge for £150...the gaming edge is basically a newer version of the tomahawk with wifi 6. The Heatsink over vrm's altered also to include more fins so runs cooler also

 
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Wow, what a comprehensive build options - thank you so much for that.

I guess the primary use is still gaming for power use , though it seems to spend most of it's time chugging away encoding video. Virtualisation is mostly network design through VMware workstation, nothing that creates a massive load, as well as usual desktop tasks.

I'd probably end up changing the graphics card somewhere down the line, my last machine went through about 4 generations during it's lifetime.
 
Heh, it really hasn't become any clearer! On one hand is the AMD which has been around awhile and has hopefully had all the kinks ironed out of it (the view I took with my daughters build) but is probably a dead end and then you have the new shiny of the Intel which is similar in performance and is a new platform which will still have new processors released for it (but the last time I replaced a processor in an existing motherboard was probably the turn of the century...)

I might just toss a coin. :)
 
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Heh, it really hasn't become any clearer! On one hand is the AMD which has been around awhile and has hopefully had all the kinks ironed out of it (the view I took with my daughters build) but is probably a dead end and then you have the new shiny of the Intel which is similar in performance and is a new platform which will still have new processors released for it (but the last time I replaced a processor in an existing motherboard was probably the turn of the century...)

I might just toss a coin. :)
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Go for the newer tech .
 
I'd go with a super cheap build, something like a 10400f/B560 and some fast DDR4, you could spend about £300 and still have change. Sell your old parts (the Vega 56 will pay for it all) and then later in the year once the dust settles with DDR5 and the new platforms, get a proper upgrade to either the newer AMD Zen4, or Intel Raptor Lake. The 10400f is an amazing CPU and they are only about £120-130, and it will also hold its value really well.

You might think, hmm I don't want to build two systems in 12 months, but if you want something to last you as long as your current one has then waiting until Q3/Q4 this year will enable that to be much more likely. Current example being if in 2018 you'd built a B450/X470 based Ryzen system then you could still drop a new CPU in it this year in the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

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I'd probably end up changing the graphics card somewhere down the line, my last machine went through about 4 generations during it's lifetime.
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I based the above on this very fact, you want a platform that can grow with your GPU's.
 
I would never bet on intel and there platforms lasting more than one or maybe 2 generations of chips going by previous experience.
 
Well, I've ordered the case, PSU, memory and NVME. As that's common to any build.

I've also added and removed MB and CPU to and from a basket about half a dozen times...talk about indecisive. :)
 
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I would never bet on intel and there platforms lasting more than one or maybe 2 generations of chips going by previous experience.
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Your still going to get the raptorlake CPUs although it's rarely worth upgrading to the next gen of chips unless your also looking to add more cores but Z690 the superior platform currently and the boards having 4 gen 4.0 m.2 could go along way in the future.
 
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Well, I've ordered the case, PSU, memory and NVME. As that's common to any build.

I've also added and removed MB and CPU to and from a basket about half a dozen times...talk about indecisive. :)
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OCUK pricing is a bit higher than expected, but still in the £300 range.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £299.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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A 3060 Ti isn't going to benefit from anything faster that that really, so in 9-12 months you can dump the above and put in a 'proper' set of core parts to support you for 4, 5 or more years.
 
Journey said:
OCUK pricing is a bit higher than expected, but still in the £300 range.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £299.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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A 3060 Ti isn't going to benefit from anything faster that that really, so in 9-12 months you can dump the above and put in a 'proper' set of core parts to support you for 4, 5 or more years.
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I'm guessing OP would want a better system than the one he built his daughter a year ago. If going down this route, you might as well go for a B660 board and the 12400 cpu(which is over 20% better fps in gaming and on a par with last years 11700k), but still behind the 5600X(link is in my previous post)
I'd personally go intel route if building myself again(5800X in my build). I'd go mid range mobo such as the Z690 Tomahawk which can be had for £245...it has better vrm's than budget board and means I could drop a 13700 or 13900 down the line without worrying about thermals etc(also wifi 6, bluetooth 5.2, better sound codec etc). The z690 board having 4 nvme slots and gpu pciegen5 means should have all storage I need for future expansion and if I upgrade gpu in few years, slot will be current. If mainly gaming and not work pc, prob the 12600k, as on a par with the 5800X. The OEM version is £279 as opposed to £374 for the 12700k(so 12700k 34% more expensive for 5% fps uplift).
If you don't need 4 nvme slots, then B660 board. they're cheaper and can still have 3 slots nvme, though gpu slot is pciegen4 rather than gen 5
 
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I'm guessing OP would want a better system than the one he built his daughter a year ago.
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I'd say wait for him to respond rather than guess.

My option was to keep the costs to almost zero after selling the old kit, and end up with a much larger upgrade and platform longevity, whilst still enjoying massive performance gains vs what is in use now. Only thing I might swap is the 16GB for 32GB given how low the price is now. Lets not forget going from a 12th Gen to 13th Gen part is probably going to offer very little generational performance gains, only more cores/thread if you wanted them.
 
Journey said:
I'd say wait for him to respond rather than guess.

My option was to keep the costs to almost zero after selling the old kit, and end up with a much larger upgrade and platform longevity, whilst still enjoying massive performance gains vs what is in use now. Only thing I might swap is the 16GB for 32GB given how low the price is now. Lets not forget going from a 12th Gen to 13th Gen part is probably going to offer very little generational performance gains, only more cores/thread if you wanted them.
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true, but he already put in 1st post deciding between 5800x or 12600k to pair with his 3060tiFE, so anything else we put is just idea's he may not of thought of, such as the 11400 or 12400
 
by the way, other site already selling 12400F £179.99, 12400 £199.99, 12600 £239.99...don't think ocuk have them yet, but gives you an idea of pricing
 
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