Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I think the West should have a significant volunteer force available for situations where NATO doesn't want to risk intervening officially, keep it ambiguous and disparate enough to not be seen as an extension but supplied enough to be useful.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Have you seen what Mohdi has been up to? If you're muslim don't expect much sympathy or justice. He's a hindu ultra nationalist and at least 3/4 of the way to being authoritarian
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a1ex2001 said:
Which they pay good money for a could buy elsewhere, the leaders of the world should be making their displeasure known. Much like Imran Khan visiting Moscow yesterday these things shouldn’t pass without consequences.
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So basically you are saying screw over India,and Pakistan,whilst expecting Indian support for the anti-China Quad alliance??

For decades the US supplied Pakistan with state of the art weaponary,and stopped many European weapons systems being exported to India. Even now,there are limits to what they are willing to give India,especially when it comes to sharing base technologies. Only in the last 10 years has the US been willing to sell India weaponary.

The Russian dependency came out of that and will take a long time to remove. If they cannot keep that weaponary operational you are literally weakening their military.This is why they gave India extra time to wean themselves off Iranian oil,and gave CAATSA excemptions for various systems. India is already diversifying its systems,including more co-developed systems with Israel.

Plus don't you think sanctioning China,India and Pakistan together might also have the effect of forcing a re-approachment with each other? China would love this to happen! The US needs Indian support to counter China.
 
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StriderX said:
I think the West should have a significant volunteer force available for situations where NATO doesn't want to risk intervening officially, keep it ambiguous and disparate enough to not be seen as an extension but supplied enough to be useful.
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Maybe a UN peacekeeping force, although I'm not sure how feasible it would be, with a country that large. I've never really took much notice of when its been used in other countries around the world.
 
Nelly said:
Maybe a UN peacekeeping force, although I'm not sure how feasible it would be, with a country that large. I've never really took much notice of when its been used in other countries around the world.
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In this situation any motion to pass a Peace Keeping force in Ukraine would never make it through, Russia would always veto it.
 
steve45 said:
In this situation any motion to pass a Peace Keeping force in Ukraine would never make it through, Russia would always veto it.
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I dunno, I think Russia is one of the countries that actually contributes to it in terms of money? Mind you with all these sanctions, they will probally like you say not care and sure as hell veto the idea just to be buttholes.
 
Nelly said:
I dunno, I think Russia is one of the countries that actually contributes to it in terms of money? Mind you with all these sanctions, they will probally like you say not care and sure as hell veto the idea just to be buttholes.
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You do know Russia is the country invading right?

You think because they contribute money, they would approve the deployment of a peacekeeping force which would stop them from invading?
 
muon said:
You do know Russia is the country invading right?

You think because they contribute money, they would approve the deployment of a peacekeeping force which would stop them from invading?
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I guess that depends what Putler has in mind after this conquest has finished, kinda makes Poland and the western flank much more err'm appetizing so to speak, hopefully he ain't that dumb or demented.
 
ltron said:
Biden administration not weak after all, contrary to what some on here claim. Very clever from them.
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Trumps administration was the weakest on Russia America has ever had. He cancelled all the sanctions, let Putin have what ever he wanted including retreating from Syria so Putin could have it, and when he discovered Putin was paying the Taliban for American bounty kills he did nothing.
 
hurfdurf said:
Trumps administration was the weakest on Russia America has ever had. He cancelled all the sanctions, let Putin have what ever he wanted including retreating from Syria so Putin could have it, and when he discovered Putin was paying the Taliban for American bounty kills he did nothing.
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The Trump administration was the weakest economically on Russia. But also the strongest militarily since Reagan. It's not a simple 0/1 situation.

I.E he took down many trade sanctions and allowed them to start selling many things including asbestos insulation to the US again, but then in Syria he took a much tougher stance against Russia than any other president would have since the 1980's. This is why Putin waited until trump left office to do this (had it not been for Covid the operations would probably have started as soon as Biden moved into the white house), because after the public spanking Trump gave him in Syria he learnt not to try and out strongman a crazy person.
 
Minusorange said:
Confirms what we've all been thinking, I also believe Rubio has been part of this US/UK drive to reveal intel publicly that was discussed in article posted earlier
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There is 2 possibilities here and neither of them good - either Putin is no longer acting with the same rationale - call him crazy or whatever, or he is and we aren't seeing the bigger picture here.

I can't really believe the way they are approaching things in Ukraine is intentional for some kind of bigger play though.
 
Rroff said:
There is 2 possibilities here and neither of them good - either Putin is no longer acting with the same rationale - call him crazy or whatever, or he is and we aren't seeing the bigger picture here.

I can't really believe the way they are approaching things in Ukraine is intentional for some kind of bigger play though.
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There must be a bigger picture, the fact Belarus are with them on this (or at least we assume they are, it may have been a "help us conquer them or we conquer YOU first" kind of deal) indicates he hopes to get a mini USSR on the go.

We have no real way of knowing what chess games are going on, hell for all we know China's refusal to vote with Russia at the UN may just be misdirection so that when this conflict hits it's height we're all caught unaware by their Taiwan invasion.

Then again maybe Putin believes what he says, maybe he does think neo-Nazis are committing genocide in Ukraine and nobody in the Russian hierarchy has the balls to admit the boss has lost his marbles.
 
Sporadic assault rifle fire on the live cams.

Sustained bursts of some heavier stuff as well now.

EDIT: Assuming that was from the cameras as well as the feed it was from is mixing in a bunch of sources including their own audio.
 
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