Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alchal said:
I'm not sure Russia really possesses the amount of precision weapons the west does , we never ever see them used very much in any russian conflict that or they are not as Uber as they make them out to be...

But you could be right in that they want to inflict this kind of damage but it's not going to help them to control Ukraine in the long run?
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Once Russia have ousted the present Government in Ukraine, the majority of the populace will fall into line.

Yes there will be resistance, but once the majority are behaving, the minimal resistance will be quashed.
 
ltron said:
Biden administration not weak after all, contrary to what some on here claim. Very clever from them.
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adam cool dude said:
Isn't that every nations solution to the problem?

People and media are quick to dismiss the Russians yet both the Americans and ourselves got our backsides handed to us by middle Eastern soldiers using the most basic equipment.

Russia are fighting at least on paper a top 20 army in the world. To be naive about it is only going to cost us in the future if it all goes pear shaped as the vast majority of the Russians by then will be battle hardened.
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Our professional army will always be better than a conscripted army
 
alchal said:
I'm not sure Russia really possesses the amount of precision weapons the west does , we never ever see them used very much in any russian conflict that or they are not as Uber as they make them out to be...

But you could be right in that they want to inflict this kind of damage but it's not going to help them to control Ukraine in the long run?
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Don't think they need precision weaponry.

The west do as they want to minimise collateral damage, as the west care about how they look on the world stage.

If Russia wanted Ukraine and didn't care about buildings, or people, they would have just pummeled with millions of tonnes of normal HE rounds, then walked into the dust and rubble.

Russia do not care how they look on the world stage, that has been proved time after time.

They just want their country back under their wing, and not an illegal American imposed government.
 
Entai said:
He does not need to.

For a start, no one is going to attack Russia from any other front.

Secondly Putin does not need to send everything.

Even 10% or 15% will overwhelm Ukraine completely, and not put a significant dent anywhere else.
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You realise that he only as about 225k fighting troops, 4000 usable tanks and just over 1000 fighter jets don't you?
The fruit loop has massively underestimated Ukrainian resistance, he’s put his forces against a comparable foe (world top20), which is backed with western weapons, training and intelligence, he’s showing his forces for what they are old, poorly trained, ill equipped and heavily reliant on overwhelming numbers which he doesn’t have. Yes he might eventually take Ukraine but in doing so will massively damage the capabilities of the Russian armed forces for decades.
 
woppy101 said:
You realise that he only as about 225k fighting troops, 4000 usable tanks and just over 1000 fighter jets don't you?
The fruit loop has massively underestimated Ukrainian resistance, he’s put his forces against a comparable foe (world top20), which is backed with western weapons, training and intelligence, he’s showing his forces for what they are old, poorly trained, ill equipped and heavily reliant on overwhelming numbers which he doesn’t have. Yes he might eventually take Ukraine but in doing so will massively damage the capabilities of the Russian armed forces for decades.
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Those figures are wrong.

He has over 1 million currently serving troops, with another trained 2 million reserves.
Forced conscription, that could be ten million easily.
 
Entai said:
Those figures are wrong.

He has over 1 million currently serving troops, with another trained 2 million reserves.
Forced conscription, that could be ten million easily.
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No he doesn’t he has 280k active ground forces, which includes chefs, medics, administrative, mechanical and electrical maintenance as well as fighting troops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ground_Forces
 
woppy101 said:
No he doesn’t he has 280k active ground forces, which includes chefs, medics, administrative, mechanical and electrical maintenance as well as fighting troops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ground_Forces
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Think i will go with expert opinion from CNN, not wiki thanks.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html

Scroll down to where direct comparisons between active personnel, and reserveists are charted.
 
Entai said:
Think i will go with expert opinion from CNN, not wiki thanks.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html

Scroll down to where direct comparisons between active personnel, and reserveists are charted.
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If they had that many troops available Ukraine would have fallen by now, Russian capabilities have been overstated for years
You might want to have a look at the active personal bit, that’s the whole of the Russian armed forces not the Army. I will say again Russia does not have 900k they can use as ground forces they have 280k ground forces and around 200k FIGHTING troops
 
Entai said:
Think i will go with expert opinion from CNN, not wiki thanks.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/russia-ukraine-military-comparison-intl/index.html

Scroll down to where direct comparisons between active personnel, and reserveists are charted.
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Your site also states

"In land forces alone, Russia has a twofold advantage, with 280,000 troops to Ukraine's 125,600. And its air force is nearly five times as strong, with 165,00 to Ukraine's 35,000"

Which isn't too dissimilar to what the guy you're arguing with said.
 
Difficult for Russia to call it quits now. It's just going to get full on Dirty + Chetans might see what can be done and that will flair up again with another headache. No one wants to be associated with a loon at the end of the day unless it's in the batman universe.
 
Hedge said:
Your site also states

"In land forces alone, Russia has a twofold advantage, with 280,000 troops to Ukraine's 125,600. And its air force is nearly five times as strong, with 165,00 to Ukraine's 35,000"

Which isn't too dissimilar to what the guy you're arguing with said.
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But ANY trained armed forces personnel can be put on the front line.

In times of war, if you are needed on the front line,, whether you are Army , Navy or Airforce, in a country like Russia, you are given a gun and ordered to fight or get shot.
 
Entai said:
But ANY trained armed forces personnel can be put on the front line.

In times of war, if you are needed on the front line,, whether you are Army , Navy or Airforce, in a country like Russia, you are given a gun and ordered to fight or get shot.
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That’s not really how it works, and if that we’re to happen. Medical, Maintenance and logistics would collapse. There is a reason why there are different branches to the army
 
woppy101 said:
If they had that many troops available Ukraine would have fallen by now, Russian capabilities have been overstated for years
You might want to have a look at the active personal bit, that’s the whole of the Russian armed forces not the Army. I will say again Russia does not have 900k they can use as ground forces they have 280k ground forces and around 200k FIGHTING troops
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You never send everyone in at the start.

And as i kerp saying, Russia do not want to obliterate Ukraine,, they want to do minimal damage to overthrow the incumbant government.

So send in minimal numbers to get that done, then more if necessary.

Look at the airport battle.

Russia send 30 odd helicopters, but get beaten back.

So next day they send 200 helicopters.

Job done.
 
Ukraine is getting a lot of help with money, food, weapons, training e.t.c. US just donated 600m to Ukraine.

This isn't just about Ukraine and Russia any more. A lot of the world has basically told Russia to do-one. There's also cyber warfare happening against Russia, which is looking like it's successful. You can't access anything inside of Russia now online wise. It's all been taken either offline or network segmented so only internally you can access it.

Apple Pay has also been stopped in Russia. There's a lot more stuff happening worldwide.

NATOs response is - Touch another country that's in NATO and you will feel the wrath of NATO, full force. Because of the rest of the stuff happening behind the scenes Russia is doomed.

There's a lot more wars going on that's not on the ground/air as such.

The troop war isn't the end of it regardless of who wins.
 
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